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1911 LGOC B-Type

1911 LGOC B-Type in London's Sunday, Short Movie, 1924 IMDB

Class: Bus, Double-deck — Model origin: UK

1911 LGOC B-Type

Position 00:00:25 [*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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dsl SX

2016-01-24 00:46

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LE 9371 was late 1911 into Jan 1912 issue.

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nzcarnerd NZ

2016-01-24 04:13

AEC?

johnfromStaffs EN

2016-01-24 09:07

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LGOC_B_Type_Bus_B_43_Ole_Bill_2.jpg

Link to "commons.m.wikimedia.org"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGOC_B-type

LGOC B-type.

2,500 ish built between 1910 and 1913.

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sixcyl FR

2016-01-24 09:42

In January 1912, the Walthamstow factory that built the X-Type and B-Type, became a separate company within the group LGOC and renamed Associated Equipment Company = AEC
Therefore , should we name it AEC B-Type rather than LGOC (none of them listed on the site)

johnfromstaffs EN

2016-01-24 11:42

The radiator of the subject bus is the same shape as that of B340 shown by the link above, and it will be seen that it carries the legend "LGOC", not AEC. Likewise, the picture of "Ole Bill" carries the word "General" although the header tank is of AEC shape. The B buses were designed by Searle before the formation of AEC as a separate entity, which is why I have referred to this one, together with its radiator shape, as such.

Sunbar UK

2016-01-24 13:58

I have a slight preference for continuing to call them all AEC, as the manufacturer, despite LGOC being the operator and the controlling company.

However both cases 'LGOC' and 'AEC' can be argued for but then we would then have to determine a break-point if LGOC was to be used for the early buses and AEC for the later ones.

Some of the history...
"Where the B-Type Buses are Built" October 1912,

Associated Equipment Co. Ltd. formed June 1912 with an authorised capital of 2500,000 in 210 shares, also 94 per cent, of the ordinary stock of the (LGOC) company has been acquired by the Underground Electric Railways Co. of London, Ltd.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2016-01-24 14:10

I have no problem with this for any buses built after the B-type, but from my memory this model has always been referenced by the name LGOC, after all, AEC did not exist when they were designed and put into production.

Sunbar UK

2016-01-24 15:18

A quick search shows the B-type bus in use by the autumn of 1910 (agreeing with the IMCDb date for AEC B-type) before AEC was formed.

johnfromstaffs, I agree with renaming all B-types as 'LGOC' (a web-based search shows far more hits for LGOC than AEC). Other buses (K-type etc) to remain as AEC.

If there are no other comments supporting 'AEC' I agree we should change.

johnfromstaffs EN

2016-01-24 15:52

Thanks, seems logical that the break should come immediately after the B-type.

What chance of finding one of the sixty X-types on film? Anything before those would have a separate manufacturer's name like Milnes-Daimler or Straker or whatever, so they would present no problem, and all subsequent to the B would be AEC unless they weren't!!

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Sunbar UK

2016-01-24 16:33

Only found one X-type bus in LT photographic collection (but possibly more to be found) so chances are low I guess...

Link to "www.ltmcollection.org"

One to be aware of for the future!

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