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1958 Rover 3 Litre Saloon MkI [P5]

1958 Rover 3 Litre MkI [P5] in L'albatros, Movie, 1971 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: UK — Made for: F

1958 Rover 3 Litre Saloon MkI [P5]

Position 00:44:36 [*][*][*][*] Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time

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DidierF FR

2016-01-14 00:02

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L'héroïne mécanique du film. Si vous pouvez déjà lui donner son nom…

[288GN57] est de la 2ème moitié de 1958. Second half of '58 for the registration. This Rover is for the moment the heroin of the movie. Would you ID it precisely, please?

cl82 DE

2016-01-14 00:27

Well at least it's an (early?) P5, probably the standard one and not the low-roof "coupe" version.

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dsl SX

2016-01-14 00:27

3-Litre P5. It looks early - launched Sept 58. If it has no front quarterlights it is a Mk1 before July 61 (Mk1A). If the window surrounds and gutter trim are chrome it is before Feb 60, after which they became stainless steel.

dsl SX

2016-01-14 00:30

^^ Not a Coupe - they were July 61 launch when Mk2 arrived, and had distinctive slanted front quarterlights.

DidierF FR

2016-01-14 00:32

(We see in the movie it's a four-door.)

DidierF FR

2016-01-14 00:42

[Image: mocky71albatros121.jpg]
00:52:12 fin de la Rover[*][*][*][*] after a long and distinguished part.

dsl SX

2016-01-14 00:46

DidierF wrote (We see in the movie it's a four-door.)

The Coupe was a 4 door - /vehicle_82731-Rover-3-Litre-Coupe-P5-1964.html

But with your new photo, I think we can go with this as a very very very early Mk1 saloon within the plate date.

DidierF FR

2016-01-14 01:21

dsl wrote The Coupe was a 4 door
Ô Seigneur Dieu tout puissant, mais nous n'en sortirons donc jamais !

dsl SX

2016-01-14 01:37

Stodgy old Rover was very different in the 1960s - experimental gas turbine cars which raced at Le Mans, the very innovative Rover 2000, adopting a cast-off Buick designed alloy V8, inventing the Range Rover and a whole new type of car market, nearly launching the Rover BS mid-engined coupe, and so on. In some ways it was a British equivalent of Citroen for trying new ideas outside the mainstream - a 4 door coupe was a mere bagatelle.

DidierF FR

2016-01-14 01:43

They are all very fine looking to me. (Would I been chatting with anybody else but you, I'd say they are my favourite British cars of the 50s and 60s, dsl.)

But why do they call this nice Rover BS a three-seater?

DidierF FR

2016-01-14 02:48

Its first apparition,

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00:16:37

johnfromstaffs EN

2016-01-14 08:39

Rover Jet 1 was built in 1949/50.
The Land Rover began in 1947.
The P4 was a very forward looking design in 1950.

The era of innovation began at Rover many years earlier than the 60s.

Consider the economic and political position in the late 40s. Material shortages, Sir Stafford Cripps, the imposition of 66 2/3% purchase tax on cars costing over £1,000, government interventions of all sorts by misguided politicians who could not see further ahead than the next tax increase. These things, inter alia, did for Lea-Francis almost completely, and finished Singer as an independent entity to name but two. It is necessary to offer a huge tribute to the Wilks era of management which brought Rover out of the depression, through WW2 and into the fifties and sixties still expanding. Hardly stodgy, Rover were using early just in time material control techniques in the 1930s.

Then came the mid sixties and more political interference..........



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electra225 IT

2016-01-14 18:39

DSL, DSL, read this please.

Is the sedan parked next to this Rover in the last thumb a Sumbeam Hunter or a clone of it ? (Sceptre, Gazelle, Vogue). Otherwise it could ne a Mk II Cortina but I beliefe an Arrow series by Rootes.

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dsl SX

2016-01-14 18:44

I noticed it earlier, but think it's a Consul Corsair. But always worth waving a flag!!

Sunbar UK

2016-01-14 18:53

^ electra225, Rear door glass area and C pillar looks more like the Cortina MkII, the rear quarter-lite on the Arrow series looks larger compared with the remaining glass areas IMHO.

DidierF FR

2016-01-14 19:05

Er… you don't really want me to look for and post an image for it, do you? (Because in any case, it would hardly be better than this one.)

dsl SX

2016-01-14 20:02

No - I'm happy. Definitely UK Ford - Consul Corsair/Zephyr Mk3/Cortina Mk2 as possibles. I still go for Corsair shape, but the dash is very Cortina Mk2.

dsl SX

2019-03-14 20:37

Am a bit suspicious of the plate. 3 Litre launch was 22 Sept 58 but proper production did not start till Jan 59 while they sorted out problems - particularly inadequate pillar strengthening to cope with heavy doors, so body distortion and cracking windscreens. This is probably not one of the six pre-pros which were the only proper cars built by the time of launch, as it does not have the pre-pro ROVER wing badge and does look as if it has proper grille badge, and all 6 pre-pros seem to have been RHD. So if you want to trust the plate, probably a "soft-build" ahead of the proper production start, maybe the first P5 built for F as a taster/demo example for the French distributors (so would have a Paris 75 plate, not 57 Moselle??). If the plate is fake, it still matches a very early 1959-June 61 Mk1.

So sticking with late 58, but fingers crossed.

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