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1939 Packard Six Touring Sedan [1700]

1939 Packard Six [1700] in Utomlyonnye solntsem, Movie, 1994 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: US

1939 Packard Six Touring Sedan [1700]

[*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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Weasel1984 PL

2008-06-02 09:56

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Alexander DE

2008-06-02 11:17

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A Packard, as far as I can tell from 1938 (Series 16**) or 1939 (Series 17**).

johnfromstaffs EN

2008-06-02 15:46

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If this film is Russian, then maybe this is not a Packard at all, but one of the cars built in Russia using the pre-war Packard tooling. It is a very long time (forty plus years!) since I read about this, and I cannot remember the name of the Russian product, beyond thinking of Zil, Zim or Zis.

I have just found this by Googling Zil: -

The ZIS production was temporary stopped in 1941: the lines of production were dismantled and sent to Miass (in order to build the UralAZ, another truck factory) and to Ulyanovsk (to create the well-known UAZ ). The Moscow truck production of the ZIS was resumed just a year after, in 1942. The production of cars, instead, was resumed only in the 1946, with the "110" model . This car - similarly to the previous car- is a Russian copy of an American vehicle, the Packard "180" of 1938: therefore, 8 cylinders, 6 liters of displacement, 140 hp, beyond 140 km/h. Above, a "gallery" of photos of that period, the normal and cabrio versions. The "110" remains in production till the 1958.


The car appears from the photograph to have suffered, the centre line of the radiator is not perpendicular to the chassis, however, it is not the same as the Zil in the Googled section mentioned above as that car has a later front end treatment with faired in headlights.

I always thought it was very odd of the Communist Russian government to buy tooling from Packard, of all people, who did not call one of their cars "Patrician" for no reason! Perhaps the General would not sell Chevrolet tooling to the Russians, or more likely Packard, who were in a poor state of finance by then, just offered a better deal.

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Alexander DE

2008-06-02 16:32

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The post-war ZiS 110 looks more like a 1942 Packard, and the pre-war ZiS 101 and 102 had a different radiator grille design.

chris40 UK

2008-06-02 16:34

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Actually, John, what you have found if anything confirms what Alexander has said. The ZiS-110 was much bigger than this, had (as you say) faired-in headlights - and a good deal of Stalinist ornamentation underneath them. Bearing in mind that the film (which is Russian) was made in 1994, Mikhalkov (the director) was probably looking for something smaller than a ZiS and bigger than a Pobieda ... I agree with Alexander that this is probably an entry-level Packard of the late 30s that has fallen on hard times, like a good many old American cars that appear at Russian car shows.

chris40 UK

2008-06-02 16:35

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Alex, I talk too much [:chut]

Alexander DE

2008-06-02 16:46

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You don't, Chris! :)

Probably original ZiS 101 or 102 that would match the period were not available, and as you said, quite a lot of Packard ended in Russia going east with the Wehrmacht.

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I like "Stalinist ornamentation", especially as the 1942 Packard had it, too! :D ... was Packard Stalinist or Stalin Packardist ... ?

johnfromstaffs EN

2008-06-02 17:02

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I think we would have to say that Stalin was Packardist. The other way round would be unthinkable.

chris40 UK

2008-06-02 17:09

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I'm sure Stalin was Packardist, just as Lenin was Rolls-Royceist and Brezhnev was anything-so-long-as-it-was-Western-expensive-and-free-ist. On the other hand, since the war Packard to my mind showed the same sort of good taste that gave the world the Chaika, the Lomonosov University and numerous Palaces of Culture, so maybe Packard was Stalinist too :D

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johnfromstaffs EN

2008-06-02 17:29

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Taste is a very personal thing - I once had a 1958 Vauxhall Victor.

pilou BE

2008-06-06 15:03

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1938 Packard Six 4-door touring sedan ( Sixteenth Series Model 1600 , built september 1937 to september 1938)

Darrin 180 US

2008-06-15 09:34

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1939 Packard Six Cylinder four door sedan chassis 1700 body 1282

Metroine UA

2010-11-16 17:06

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Soviet Union was buying a lot of American cars in 1920-1930s as communist chiefs liked them a lot, in fact.

Packard Don US

2014-12-02 01:04

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I know, this an old post but this is definitely a 1939 Packard and appears to have been Russianized with their own style of bumpers and possibly a couple other things as well. 1938 had the windshield center trim extended to the roof.

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