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1948 Renault 208 D 7T [R4080]

1948 Renault 208 D [R4080] in Czy jestes wsród nich?!, Documentary, 1954 IMDB

Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: FR

1948 Renault 208 D 7T [R4080]

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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Weasel1984 PL

2012-11-19 21:54

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[Image: 7t.jpg] [Vehicle Image 550965]

eLMeR FM

2015-03-27 02:55

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@ Weasel1984: is the 7T really accurate? The 208 D was also sold as 12 Tonnes, so if really necessary (i.e. if sure of a 7 Tonnes model), shouldn't it be just given as complement?

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tore-40 NO

2015-03-28 09:07

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@eLMer: I think the 12T were tractors only.

Your ad states (your French is better than mine) 'Based on a Renault 7 tons chassis..... capable of towing a semi-trailer of 12 tons' for the Tracteur Routier (Road Tractor, or just Tractor)

Weasel1984 PL

2015-03-28 13:56

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Now I can't find this period pic anymore, but when I wrote this comment, I saw also an old French picture/brochure with one described as 5T.
In Polish brochure from 1948 only "7T" version is mentioned (described this way - "7T and "7 Ton").
Like for now we don't have many 208Ds, but IMHO worth to have these "tons" in model name too - to switch between them more easily, some day.

tore-40 NO

2015-03-28 15:07

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http://lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Camion5T_50.JPG

eLMeR FM

2015-03-29 00:39

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@ tore-40: you linked a picture of the 1950+ Fainéant, which was the successor ot the 208 D ;)
7T is a redundant info, I think, so it could be deleted. By the way, the unveiling of this truck was 1946, as you say in the other page, Weasel1984.

-- Last edit: 2015-03-29 00:42:28

tore-40 NO

2015-03-29 09:44

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That was the point of the link, the first ad mentioning 5T trucks.

And the 208 first appeared in 1946 ads, but is this maybe listed as 1948 due to some minor changes - bumper, shape of door window lower front corner ?

Weasel1984 PL

2015-03-29 14:24

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It was 5t in context of this design, but maybe it was not original brochure, but some discussion on the forum - in this case some misunderstanding was possible too - don't remember now, well doesn't really matter.

As we can see in period materials (at the Goolge pics), the "7T"/"7 Tonnes" was used as even more important name than the "208 D", it also nicely corresponded with the same period "1000KG" and "2,5T".

1948 in this case, because it was the 1st year of Renault presence in Poland after the WWII break and this type of truck was among the very first vehicles they introduced here.

eLMeR FM

2015-03-30 01:56

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I think we should explain automatically in comments why we choose a particular model year when different of the default one, so readers are not misled and do not wonder why some vehicles have such different details. But thanks, you finally did it ;)

I know you're talking about "period material" (which are scarce), but for the record, the Ggle "tools" gives me (1):
• Renault Trafic models when searching for Renault 7T. Plus your picture. With a "French search" (ggle pics with the fr parameter), it gives... Renault Siete models???;
• a mix of pre-war trucks, Renault Fainéant and current Renault Trucks T and C models (plus your picture again ;) ) when searching for Renault 7 Tones. A "French search" gives only the current Renault trucks;
• Renault 208D models when searching for Renault 208D (with some Mercedes vans at the end of the page, of course :D ).
So please, be careful with what you find and see with the Ggle tools, and do not use it a single source: depending on your country, your previous researches and the way you use them, you won't have the same results. And don't overlook the error rate in the contents of the pages in results...

I'm still convinced that 7T is a redundant detail that can lead to a mix between the 208D and the Fainéant. But this is your page and your ID, and this is nothing more than a divergence about a detail in it ;)
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1: through a proxy (so no automatic country dependent results), with the "hl=fr" -i.e. lang parameter- deleted, and without any Ggle cache, as I almost never use that search engine which give subjective results: it keeps your search history during 6 months, so further results are always affected by what you previously sought...
To be honest, I just gave the results shown in the first page, except for the
Renault 7 Tones search, for which your pic appears only in the second one.

-- Last edit: 2015-03-30 02:31:15

Weasel1984 PL

2015-03-30 19:24

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I didn't mean that "Renault 7T" is a correct name - after all this one is listed as "208 D" since nearly 3 years and it was me who proposed to use the name "208 D" for all trucks of this type. Previously we had them listed as "R4080" only. What I meant is that the "7T" was also a part of the official designation and it is confirmed by the old brochures/adverts where the "7T"/"7 Tonnes" sometimes can plays even more important role than the "208 D":
- http://lesrenaultdepapier.fr/CouverturesCatas/Camion7T_48.JPG
- http://jacques02130.skyrock.com/3160473066-RENAULT-TYPE-208-D.html
In Polish 1940s brochure it was also described as “7T” on the main page and then in more detailed tech. data table as "208 D 7T", next to "R2060 1000KG", "R2161 2,5T" etc. (for some reasons the code R4080 wasn't mentioned in case of this model).
Also worth to notice that "7T" was written in the same incorrect way (capital “T”) what “2,5T” and “1000KG”, which were used as model names.

Of course Google Pics and its search results page (with its all "off topic" finds) is not a source itself, but only a tool to find some. So thanks to it we could find at least 2 period pics (linked above). I also have book with full reproduction of the already mentioned 1948 brochure. 3 official promo documents from the truck's era is for me already a reliable and trustable source of informations.

Yesterday I’ve moved “7T” to extra info - I can’t say that at the moment it is so important to me where it is, but having it as part of the model name isn’t wrong at all.

About the year - IIRC it was the 1st R4080 listed with year, there were no any "default year" yet. I think 1946 was added to others the next day.
Uploader can write explanation why he did choose such and not different year (sometimes I'm doing this too), but I wouldn't like to see this as mandatory rule. There never was such obligation. There is already a lot to comment on cars with incorrect or incomplete data. If someone is curious, why there is different year, then can always ask about it. :)

-- Last edit: 2018-06-14 19:42:54

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