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1980 Talbot Solara [C6]

1980 Talbot Solara [C6] in Io speriamo che me la cavo, Movie, 1992 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: FR

1980 Talbot Solara [C6]

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FuegoTurbo IT

2011-02-09 09:02

Talbot Solara

Raul1983 FI

2011-02-09 15:34

:cry:

rjluna2 US

2011-02-09 15:54

:lol: Chalk one up for Raul's favorite :whistle:

ingo DE

2011-02-09 19:42

Oh, Raul is first. I've expected tears from annother :whistle:

Lateef NO

2011-02-09 20:02

ingo wrote Oh, Raul is first. I've expected tears from annother :whistle:

Well, actually, it's a bit of shame to see it in a state like that... but not that terrible that I just want to burst out in tears.. especially when looking at the time the movie was made. I don't think these cars really were to last more than 14 years. I wonder which one had the worst build quality/rust-protection, the Morris Ital, Hyundai Stellar or Talbot Solara - those are cars I like, but not love.

If I wanted to cry over a wrecked/vandalised/pimped Talbot, I'd go cry over a Tagora instead :)

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Raul1983 FI

2011-02-09 20:12

Lateef wrote I don't think these cars really were to last more than 14 years. I wonder which one had the worst build quality/rust-protection, the Morris Ital, Hyundai Stellar or Talbot Solara - those are cars I like, but not love.


I don't know about the French made Talbot's but the Finnish ones had a good build quality and rust protection. Infact in this very winter I have seen Solara in daily use. On the other hand it's maybe 10 years when I last saw 'Chrysler-Simca' badged car so the quality must have been worse on those.

dsl SX

2011-02-09 20:18

Looks early one. GL was only (UK) trim in 1980 with headrests, side mouldings but without vinyl roof. I'm a little bit sad about this one too, but at least no piano was involved.

Weasel1984 PL

2011-02-09 20:21

I saw sometimes Solaras in everyday use and not bad condition (visual at least) till the end of 90's. The last one, perhaps in 2001, it was parked next to some garage (it was not in my city). The body looked good at first glance. All of them were pre-1984 - so earlier ones. The newer ones with body colored grill, I have never met here. Like for car with such poor reputation ~20 years is still not so bad IMO.

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Lateef NO

2011-02-09 20:25

I have never seen a Solara in Norway and definitely not a Tagora, but I know that a few Matra Murenas were sold here in the 80s, of which two (that I know of) survive today. Do the Solaras perform any good in cold weather?

ingo DE

2011-02-09 20:32

Back in the 70ies, when the public exitement about worse (or not existing) rust-protection was on climax, the tests and rankings had the result, that Simca was worst, together with Alfa Romeo and British Leyland. Also Fiat, Lancia and Renault. Then comes Volkswagen, Citroen and Audi. But ll had been bad, also Mercedes Benz. Even Porsche wasn't perfect. The best rust-protection had Volvo (but not in today's quality anyways.

One perfect test-area for that was unfortuntely cleared away in Summer 2000 :( http://www.icmesa.com/tinhunter/Houthalen/THAHouthalen.htm A friend and me had the luck to stray around there one year before.
No kidding, it was real ideal. The yard was opened in the 60ies and divided into square areals. The owner filled up areal after areal. When the whole yard was filled, the guy picked out one square, where the most lucrative stuff already was sold, had crushed the left over wrecks and had filled it up again. So in every square the cars were placed at the same time. Perfect to compare the progress of decay.
Although all cars where were helpless wrecks, the Italian and French were fallen to dust as worst. But Audi for example was not really better. VW and Opel were better, Mercedes slightly, too. But Toyota, Volvo and the few US-Cars seemed to be a bit more stable.

Maybe someday tinhunter Martin ( http://www.creme21-tour.at/creme21/stories/3048/ ) was able to digitalize all pics from that fantastic dream-yard and put them on a CD-Rom. That pics are already on CD: http://www.icmesa.com/tinhunter/WHV/THAWHV.htm

The company today: http://www.carlovanlingen.be/ All the nature ground had to be replaced by gravel or concrete, so the whole areal was paved after 2000 - and the classic wrecks were removed (means crushed) for that.

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Raul1983 FI

2011-02-09 20:37

Lateef wrote Do the Solaras perform any good in cold weather?


Those which were built in Finland were designed for winter use too. Many modifications were made that differed from the French examples (heated seats etc.) and ultimately 50% of assembly parts were sourced from Finland. I guess the Solara was a good car also in winter because it was so popular for a some time. Over 14,000 Solaras/1510 were built in Uusikaupunki, Finland.

I just googled info of Talbot Tagora and found out that there is a band of such name based in Seattle, WA !

Raul1983 FI

2011-02-09 20:43

ingo wrote Back in the 70ies, when the public exitement about worse (or not existing) rust-protection was on climax, the tests and rankings had the result, that Simca was worst, together with Alfa Romeo and British Leyland. Also Fiat, Lancia and Renault. Then comes Volkswagen, Citroen and Audi. But ll had been bad, also Mercedes Benz.


I've heard stories that Fiat/Lancia and MB sourced steel from Soviet Union and it was infact recycled scrap steel. Therefore the rust problems in Italian cars + MB W123. Is it true?

ingo DE

2011-02-09 20:59

Raul1983 wrote I've heard stories that Fiat/Lancia and MB sourced steel from Soviet Union and it was infact recycled scrap steel. Therefore the rust problems in Italian cars + MB W123. Is it true?


Not only these brand had bad steel, all European makers. It were the years of the "energy-crisis" after the 1973 oil-crisis. In Germany it was said, that the steel was coming from the DDR or Italy. The most known problem-car was the 1974/75 Golf I (but the others weren't better). The reason was too much scrap-metal in too bad quality in the raw-material of the steelworks, it was said.

:no: But all these millions of times widespread stories shall be wrong, I've recently heard :wow: An old automotive-engineer, who is leading now a car-museum ( http://www.automuseummelle.de/ ) told us lat year, that the real reason should have bee the fact, that the steelworks had problems with the new introduced electric powered melting-ovens. They'd chosen them, because this way of steel-making was going faster and has cost less energy. But the chemical compound of the metal was different, so the rust began on the electro-chemical way in the metal and not by the contact with water or oxygen.

dsl SX

2011-02-09 21:36

ingo wrote .... the chemical compound of the metal was different.....

I've read something that recycling steel from objects which have been exposed to the atmosphere since 1945 has also been affected by fallout from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs and the atmospheric testing of nuclear bombs into the 1950s-60s. I did not understand it properly - so can't explain it well now - but one result is that pre-1945 steel is highly prized, such as from submerged shipwrecks which are one of the few opportunities for salvaging unaffected high grade steel in large quantities.

ingo DE

2011-02-10 20:28

Yes, this is true. It was even a question in a German quiz-show ;)
So there is an extreme high interest for the German WWI-shipwrecks in Scottish territorial waters: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scuttling_of_the_German_fleet_in_Scapa_Flow

dsl SX

2011-02-10 21:09

ingo wrote So there is an extreme high interest for the German WWI-shipwrecks in Scottish territorial waters.

Only 7 left as the rest were salvaged for scrap. However they are legally protected as Scheduled Ancient Monuments so can not be disturbed, even though they were deliberate peace-time sinkings. Any UK naval ship lost in battle/during wartime is designated as a War Grave and can not be touched Link to "www.mcga.gov.uk", even in international waters (eg Malaysia, Crete, Jutland); many other countries have similar arrangements for their wartime wrecks. I had to briefly research this a few years ago - turned out to be fascinating, so much shadowy legislation and treaties which no-one has heard of.

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