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Alexander ◊ 2005-10-10 21:18	Recognise any others?
DAF555 ◊ 2005-10-10 21:28	1949 or 1950 Mercury, the black one to right. The rear end of the black Mercury looks odd I think, supposedly the whole car has been modified. It lacks a lot of chrome in the front too. The left one is a 1955 or 1956 Mercury, probably 1956 when viewed from behind. From behind and to the left of the black Mercury we have a 1955 Chevrolet and the next one is a 1954 Chevrolet.
andys120 ◊ 2008-02-26 15:55	The rear end of the black Mercury looks odd I think, supposedly the whole car has been modified. It lacks a lot of chrome in the front too. The '49-'50 "Lead Sled" Mercurys were favorites of hot-rodders and customizers it has long been more common to see modified rather than stock ones. It was common back then for car makers to make arrangements with movie and TV producers to have their cars featured, it looks like Lincoln-Mercury made a deal for NxNW.
stronghold ◊ 2011-09-14 14:54
Commander 57 ◊ 2011-09-14 15:42	Technically, Continental was still listed by Ford as a separate make in '58 and '59 and there was a separate Continental Division of FoMoCo, or at least it says so in a 1958 Continental advertisement I have.
stronghold ◊ 2011-09-14 15:54	I've checked and it seems we only have 1956 Mk.II's listed as Continental as the Make.
Ddey65 ◊ 2011-09-14 16:07	"Cars of the Fabulous '50s" by James M. Flammang and the Auto Editors of Consumer Guide only lists Continentals as a separate division for 1956 and 1957. And that's strictly for the downsized personal luxury coupe.
somename ◊ 2011-09-14 18:07	Actually all the so-called Mark series cars were ostensibly Continentals not Lincolns until 1986. Until then they were always advertised as simply Continental; and none of the cars had Lincoln nomenclature anywhere on the vehicle until the 86 Mark VII. 1985 Continental Mark VII 1986 Lincoln Mark VII
Commander 57 ◊ 2011-09-14 18:28	Link to 1958 brochure: Link to "www.oldcarbrochures.com" Note Continental clearly listed as not being a 1958 Lincoln. -- Last edit: 2011-09-14 18:29:10
DAF555 ◊ 2011-09-14 20:37	Fords VIN-decoder from 1982, Continental is a separate make: The large part of the Mark-series is by make Continental, except the 1960 Lincoln Continental Mark V, from 1986 they became Lincolns. Between 1969-1980 modelyears Ford manufactured Continental Marks and Lincoln Continentals side by side. Confusing indeed, but it´s the way it was. The Continental Division was formed from Fords Special Products Division in October 1954 and was closed down already in July 1956, so even the last part of the Mark II production was made by Lincoln Division. In marketing material though, Ford mentions Continental Divison both 1958 and in some 1959 printings. -- Last edit: 2011-09-14 20:50:23
CougarTim ◊ 2011-09-14 21:06	Ddey65 wrote "Cars of the Fabulous '50s" by James M. Flammang and the Auto Editors of Consumer Guide only lists Continentals as a separate division for 1956 and 1957. And that's strictly for the downsized personal luxury coupe. I recently acquired "American Cars of the 1950s" by the Auto Editors of Consumer Guide (no mention of Mr. Flammang) (copyright 2007, might be a different edition or a reprint) and it lists Continental as a separate make for 1956 through 1958. Continental was folded back into Lincoln for 1959, according to this book. -- Last edit: 2011-09-14 21:07:16
Commander 57 ◊ 2011-09-14 22:33	Perhaps true for the division but Ford Motor Co. continued to market the Continental as a separate make from Lincoln in model year 1959 but NOT in model year 1960, when they were referred to as "Lincoln Continental Mark V" in brochures.
DAF555 ◊ 2011-09-14 22:38	There´s a great confusion on this, I think the dating to 1958 is connected to the merger of the Mercury, Edsel and Lincoln Divisions into one in January 1958. It was called M-E-L Division and when Edsel was closed down early in the 1960 modelyear it was renamed Lincoln-Mercury Division. Lincoln Division was since 1956 responsible for the Continental make, and they used it on their top of the line models for 1958-59, but since the cars where more or less identical to the Lincoln models it was difficult for the buyers to understand the difference so for 1960 they reverted the name Continental to be a Lincoln model. The make was revived with the 1969 Mark III that was a more true successor to the Mark II and the original concept from 1940-48.
Commander 57 ◊ 2011-09-14 23:26	I guess that comes closest to the facts, DAF. Well stated.
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-09-14 23:27	I think it is interesting that in the VIN Breakdown that DAF555 posted that the Continental make uses the VIN designation 'M' like the Mercury division does.
jettalover ◊ 2011-09-15 03:09	Perhaps some other manfacturer already had "1C"? "C" for Continental.
somename ◊ 2011-09-15 04:16	^Yep, Chrysler has C, though it's the second digit that determine the make. The first digit determines country of origin, 1 means made in U.S. 2 is Canada, 3 Mexico, 4 USA (again for some reason), J Japan, K Korea, S England (I have no idea why), W Germany, Z Italy, L China, and various other smaller countries I'm not sure of. The third digit is type of vehicle, as all Mercury and Lincoln Continentals were all passenger vehicles when the 17 digit VIN was standardized (in 1981); ME for Mercury and MR for Continental Mark. -- Last edit: 2011-09-15 04:33:22
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-09-15 04:31	I was more talking about the fact that it used M instead of L, which i would have thought it would have used when the VIN was standardized in 1981.
DAF555 ◊ 2011-09-15 20:16	It differs a bit between manufacturers how they put together the WMI (World Manufacturer Identifier) the first three digits of the VIN-code and I´m not sure that they could pick the letters they wanted, so it might be more of a coincidense that the letters matched fairly well. Here´s some info about VIN-numbers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIN#Vehicle_Descriptor_Section
Ddey65 ◊ 2011-09-17 15:01	Tim, I have a 2002 Edition, and it shows Flammang's name on the back.
Gallivant ◊ 2022-11-06 07:11	That is one beautiful caption

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1958 Lincoln Continental Mark III Convertible [68A]

1958 Lincoln Continental Mark III [68A] in North by Northwest, Movie, 1959

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