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1974 Volkswagen Sedan 'Beetle' [Typ 1]

1974 Volkswagen Sedan [Typ 1] in Dark Angel, Movie, 1990 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: DE — Made for: USA

1974 Volkswagen Sedan 'Beetle' [Typ 1]

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rjluna2 US

2013-12-26 18:14

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Clearer picture at:
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Not knowing the front end if it is Super Beetle or regular Sedan, I am guessing 1973-75 version here.

tore-40 NO

2013-12-27 00:07

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1974 bumper and twin exhaust - MY1974

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2013-12-27 17:55

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rjluna2 US

2013-12-27 17:56

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Not with these taillights and extended bumper here.

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2013-12-27 20:27

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ingo DE

2013-12-27 20:29

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m.k. wrote As I wrote here seems the same 1972 Volkswagen Super Beetle [Typ 1] /vehicle.php?id=658398

No. The car above has the 1973+ elephant-foot taillights and the 1974+ US-bumpers.
The 1972 "Super Beetle" was the 1302 in Europe (the 1973-75 Super Beetle the 1303 here) - and the VW on your link is no Super Beetle resp.1302 or 1303 at all. It hasn't the higher and longer McPherson-suspension front :o
And the 1971/72 Super Beetle, resp.1302 always had the flat-iron taillights.

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2013-12-27 20:31

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ingo DE

2013-12-27 20:33

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m.k. wrote I beg of pardon, did not pay attention, because the blurry picture, that is the 1979 Fafá de Belém rear lamps models, because the round tits there. In USA i don't know. But something close: Link to "pt.wikipedia.org" In Brazil, just in 1983->1986 it was called only VWB Fusca, but in USA you can see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle#Decline


It's no Fusca either [:kiki]
1.Brazilian Beetles weren't sold in the USA or as US-versions
2.In Brazil never the 1302/1303/Super Beetle was built
3.Usually Brazilian Fuscas had smaller side windows

Bei alten VWs laß man besser die ran, die sich etwas damit auskennen :p

ingo DE

2013-12-27 20:35

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m.k. wrote It can be also the 1995 Mexican Volkswagen Beetle going to USA, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Beetle#Mexico

[:kiki] No. There was no US-version of the mid-90ies Beetle. And those, which came to Europe, were all grey or private imports. For a while even sold by the REWE-supermarket-chain.

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2013-12-27 20:39

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ingo DE

2013-12-27 20:42

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Deine brazilianischen Erfahrungen in allen Ehren, aber es gab niemals und unter keinen Umständen von VW do Brazil gebaute US-Versionen. Ebensowenig wie dortige 1302/1303/Super Beetles. Auch nicht ein bißchen.

ingo DE

2013-12-27 20:46

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m.k. wrote we know that the Brazilian Fusca is not sold as export to USA, because had the Mexican VW just besides there to import much cheaper until some mid 90ies.

Right now I don't know, when the import to the USA was stopped, but it was definitely years before the export to Europe, especially Germany ended in 1985 (maybe even before the German Käfer-production ended in January 1978)

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2013-12-27 20:47

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2013-12-27 20:48

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2013-12-27 20:48

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ingo DE

2013-12-27 20:52

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m.k. wrote German was out with VW 1300 and 1600 old Beetle much time before.

[:kiki] Sorry, but what have you done and learned at your time at VW do Brazil? Everything, you are posting here, is wrong.
a) the VW 1300 ended before the 1303 and the 1200 (after the end of the 1303 only the 1200 existed further)
b) there was never a Beetle named "1600" in Europe. There was a VW 1500 [Typ1], but this version (identical with the 1968+ 1300, but with a stronger engine) ended in 1970. The only VW 1600, we had here, was the 1969-1973 Typ3 - which is something totally different than the Brazilian Typ3.

ingo DE

2013-12-27 21:17

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@tore-40: now it's your turn. Good luck.

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2013-12-27 21:22

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ingo DE

2013-12-27 21:35

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m.k. wrote Yes, it never had the motor 1600cc in Europe

It had. It was the 50hp-engine of the top-line 1303. But named "1303 S" then, not "1600".

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2013-12-27 21:37

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ingo DE

2013-12-27 22:14

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m.k. wrote Anyway, it is all well described year by year in Wikipedia.

No. Wikipedia is not exact enough. With specific details sometimes even the hardcore-VW-freaks, as dealers for parts for classic VWs, sometimes are stumped. But such knowledge is important, for example, when you check boxes with NOS-spare parts or wrecks on junkyards.

tore-40 NO

2013-12-27 22:34

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Trying not to step on anyone's toes, I would just like to point out that the dual exhaust system seems to rule out the catalytic converter and Digifant injection system of the newer Mexican ones. [Image: think_smiley_11.gif]

130rapid PL

2013-12-27 22:37

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...also 1990 movie release year.

ingo DE

2013-12-27 23:12

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:think: Was the 1975 Super Beetle the last Typ1, officially sold in the USA? Was there an US-version of the 1200 (until Jan 1978 made in Germany, later on in Mexico)?

night cub US

2013-12-28 00:27

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1979 was the last model year for the Convertible (though they still could be found in 1980, as 1979 models). All Typ 1 Beetles sold in the US were German made.

What the Wikipedia article states is that the Mexican-made Beetle was on the gray-market import list, meaning the VW never imported them. Either the individual owner or a third party was bringing them into the US under some loophole in the late 1980s trade laws (the same way Citroen CXs were imported and sold here). Car & Driver did an article back in the day about these Beetles. From what I understand, they have since closed the loophole with the laws requiring the cars to meet emission and safety standards for the model year up to 25 years.

rjluna2 US

2013-12-28 01:46

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ingo wrote Right now I don't know, when the import to the USA was stopped, but it was definitely years before the export to Europe, especially Germany ended in 1985 (maybe even before the German Käfer-production ended in January 1978)

The last German made Volkswagen Sedan 'Beetle' exported to USA was made for 1977 model year before they dropped completely. However, the Convertible continues to be made until 1979 model year.

I don't know what M.K. is coming up with those Brazilian information. Whoever this member should look at those Brazilian made cars posted elsewhere :)

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130rapid PL

2013-12-28 17:10

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We're wasting time.
m.k., please find for us Fusca or Vocho sample with US-federal raised-up bumpers.

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2013-12-28 18:19

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2013-12-28 18:48

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chicomarx BE

2013-12-28 19:00

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m.k. wrote See the article translated in Google, you know...:

Please post a link in stead of copying large blocks of text. The Google Translate link also works.

night cub US

2013-12-28 19:06

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You're just proving the point that the cars were built in Germany, not Brazil. Just the bodies. So I'm not sure why you are carrying on and on and on and on...

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ingo DE

2013-12-28 20:09

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night cub wrote 1979 was the last model year for the Convertible (though they still could be found in 1980, as 1979 models).

All Convertibles from 1973 to the end in 1980 are based on the 1303/Super Beetle and all Convertibles were always made by Karmann in Osnabrück, never ever by Volkswagen itself.

rjluna2 US

2013-12-28 20:40

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I think the subject vehicle is really blurred and m.k. is making a big deal about this [:dumb]

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2013-12-28 20:50

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ingo DE

2013-12-29 02:50

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m.k. wrote right, I stop but it was not mid 70ies, it is mid 80ies.

The car above on the pic? No way. It is a German built US-version from 1974-1976, most likely a "Super Beetle" (1303 outside USA). Definitely that and nothing else.

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