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AEC Mandator G4 Airport refuelling tanker

AEC Mandator G4 in British Sounds, Documentary, 1970 IMDB

Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: UK

AEC Mandator G4 Airport refuelling tanker

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Comments about this vehicle

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johnfromstaffs EN

2022-09-13 18:36

AEC, but it needs more deep knowledge than I can offer.

Caboverlover US

2022-09-13 18:42

It looks kind of similar to this AEC Monarch, but I am not entirely sure if it is one.

[Image: 0400-29.jpg]

-- Last edit: 2022-09-13 18:42:59

SteveA EN

2022-09-13 18:54

Also an AEC Routemaster and a Bedford VAL

jcb UK

2022-09-14 07:04

Caboverlover wrote It looks kind of similar to this AEC Monarch, but I am not entirely sure if it is one.

[Image: 0400-29.jpg]


Looks exactly the same to me .
So AEC Monarch.
Not a model I am familiar with but there is a export tractor unit with same cab in CM archive.

johnfromstaffs EN

2022-09-14 11:11

Monarch MkV and MkVI. 1953-65

I have found pictures of 2 and 3 axle versions, but no specification anywhere. It seems that the name was used from about 1931 onwards. I will post this without a year.

jcb UK

2022-09-14 21:57

I was aware of pre war Monarchs but not 1960s tin front MkV's like this.
Wonder if they were an export only model ?

-- Last edit: 2022-09-14 22:57:33

johnfromstaffs EN

2022-09-15 08:54

^ Take a look at this: - https://www.aecsouthall.co.uk/aecmodels/00_aec.htm

Scroll down to GM4LA Monarch, it is referred to as lhd, which might answer your question, but again the information is a bit scarce. My immediate thought on seeing the subject picture was “long chassis Mercury”, but the pic from Caboverlover put us onto the right track.

Final thought, it seems to me that AEC was more amenable to making specials away from their catalogue, a bit like Guy or Scammell, rather than banging them out like Bedfords.

-- Last edit: 2022-09-15 09:05:32

dsl SX

2022-09-15 14:23

Can't help much, but found a book comment that AEC Monarch was revived in 1948. Glass's 1950-61 lists a Monarch III in UK (8 ton, 7.7 litre but 7580cc, 6cyl oil engine - unless it means there was a petrol/diesel choice) for "1952/55" with 3 wheelbases (12'1", 14'7", 16'7"), discontinued Jan 56. No other comments or later entries. No Monarch entry in 1961-67 edition.

johnfromstaffs EN

2022-09-15 15:53

Found this ad: - Link to "www.ebay.co.uk"

Don’t know about accuracy of quoted dates, though.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2022-09-15 15:58

Link to "www.ebay.co.uk"

“The power packed truck chassis built for overseas service”.

jcb UK

2022-09-15 23:28

Think we can conclude from good dsl/jfs info above that in 60s it was an export model only hence its scarcity in UK!

-- Last edit: 2022-09-15 23:31:14

dsl SX

2022-09-15 23:45

... although this looks UK - other vehicles, street furniture. Total was French, but I guess this is Heathrow.

jcb UK

2022-09-16 06:21

Yes I agree but airport refuellers are odd beasts with much higher gross weights than normal because they operate totally on the flat and do not have to be road legal .
So the export spec for countries that allow higher weights and need more power probably suited this job.

The tank is much bigger than a road going two axle UK truck would carry and it is towing a big trailer tank also.

-- Last edit: 2022-09-16 06:39:43

Sunbar UK

2022-09-16 11:38

A few references to export orders of Monarchs in the CM Archive..

"This 3,500-gal. articulated tanker is one of 35 outfits, hauled by AEC tractive units, that have been supplied by Niger Motors Ltd. of Apapa, Lagos, ... the outfits are specially designed for tropical conditions and will be used from the beginning of April to carry fuel oil from Dar-es-Salaam to Zambia. The tractive unit of the outfit illustrated is an AEC Monarch, whilst the semi-trailer chassis was supplied by Crane Fruehauf." (April 1966)

[Image: aeczambia.jpg]


AEC Diesels for France - Willieme France with whom AEC became associated with last year are marketing AEC Monarchs with their Horizon Cab (January 1963).


"AEC Continental SA. of Antwerp, has placed orders for 32 AEC passenger chassis and 28 goods vechicles..." including eight Monarch four-wheelers... (September 1965).

Also found exports for Mauritius, Trinidad and Jamaica.

-- Last edit: 2022-09-16 11:48:23

jcb UK

2022-09-16 14:24

johnfromstaffs wrote AEC, but it needs more deep knowledge than I can offer.


Seems we now have much deeper knowledge of our Monarchs, in more ways than one !

-- Last edit: 2022-09-16 14:24:41

dsl SX

2022-09-16 14:29

JCB wrote ... and do not have to be road legal.

So UK-supplied on the basis that it lives its life within the airport boundaries, shuttling fuel from on-site storage tanks to planes on the apron, and never sees the world beyond the airport gates?? If so, an interesting insight into how specialised the requisitioning and supply of airport vehicles could be.

johnfromstaffs EN

2022-09-16 15:06

If I can dare to disagree, and drawing myself up to the full stature granted by all my years in the motor industry, I will look at it from the opposite hand.

The vehicle is only specialist in that it is (or was) not road legal in U.K. The cheapest way to meet the requirement for loads, lengths and axle weightings is to choose something from the catalogue, or as near as you can, and not to design anew. The only really special to rôle bit will then be the pumping and fuel delivery tackle and power take-off, assuming that no auxiliary donkey engine is specified. The Monarch’s chassis is seemingly well up to the job, and wouldn’t have required hours of stress calculations, testing, and £s of unique to type parts. However the cab does look like a coachbuilt special, not the contemporary AEC offering.

If the specialist motor industry does one thing well, it’s finding the cheap way out, and then invoicing as though there wasn’t one!

-- Last edit: 2022-09-16 15:16:52

johnfromstaffs EN

2022-09-16 15:29

JCB wrote

Seems we now have much deeper knowledge of our Monarchs, in more ways than one !


If we didn’t know before, the Overkill Dept of the BBC has ensured that we do now!

Sunbar UK

2022-09-16 16:54

Alternatively, Heathrow apparently had similar (but not with identical cab doors) AEC Mandator refueller and trailer units, and the degree of accuracy for the original identification (and this one) is unknown.

"Merlin Air Trade of Ostende, Belgium ran several of these AEC Mandator MkV refuelling tankers that were previously used at Heathrow including this one that still pulled its trailer."
[Image: aecmandator.jpg]
Link to "www.flickr.com"

-- Last edit: 2022-09-16 17:03:14

Sunbar UK

2022-09-16 17:14

The same refueller as in initial Prestwick "AEC Monarch" picture is an AEC Mandator as shown on AEC Southall's website...

AEC refuellers
Listed as 'Mandator (1508) and Mammoth Major (1509) aviation refuellers in service with British Aerospace at Prestwick, taken approx 1988.'

https://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/p572821167/h3b8129c3#h5fff7b4e

-- Last edit: 2022-09-16 17:16:24

jcb UK

2022-09-16 19:24

So could our interesting wander through the history of the Monarch be a red herring :)
If only we could read the model badge at the bottom of the radiator grille.
Still think the Monarch theory could be a goer .

-- Last edit: 2022-09-16 19:25:42

johnfromstaffs EN

2022-09-16 19:32

Heigh-ho!

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