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Pressed Steel M4 'Sherman' Firefly conversion

Pressed Steel M4 'Sherman' in The Lords of Discipline, Movie, 1983 IMDB

Class: Others, Military armored vehicle — Model origin: US

Pressed Steel M4 'Sherman' Firefly conversion

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mike962 DE

2021-10-07 15:33

fake , it's a prop

Lateef NO

2021-10-07 15:38

How can you tell?

mike962 DE

2021-10-07 16:12

Lateef wrote How can you tell?

all those wheels, chassie and tracks look fake

not at all like a real Sherman
Link to "www.thoughtco.com"

clearly notice the bottom wheels , they have no depth , the front wheel has no teeth either

-- Last edit: 2021-10-07 16:16:31

Lateef NO

2021-10-07 17:53

It's a gate guard. These are not intended to be operable, hence the discrepancies of the chassis. The hull itself and turret appear real enough to me.

mike962 DE

2021-10-07 18:06

Lateef wrote It's a gate guard. These are not intended to be operable, hence the discrepancies of the chassis. The hull itself and turret appear real enough to me.

the gun doesn't really fit either

long with muzzle brake would suggest "Easy 8" variant but that one had the Horizontal Volute Spring Suspension and a different turret

Link to "www.tanks-encyclopedia.com"

here all original US sherman variants http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/index.html

you can exclud A1 as it's welded , A2 never was used in US service, A4 has the extended hull which this one doesn't , that leaves it just with orignal or A3 variant possible and doesn't fit with either


-- Last edit: 2021-10-07 18:12:06

Lateef NO

2021-10-07 18:12

What makes you think it's an American Sherman? This was shot in the UK and could be a Sherman Firefly, for instance.

mike962 DE

2021-10-07 18:19

well in that case I would go with Pressed Steel M4 "Sherman" Firelfy conversion as the most likely thing since more variants had firefly conversions



http://the.shadock.free.fr/sherman_minutia/sherman_types/m4/m4.html

-- Last edit: 2021-10-07 18:22:55

mike962 DE

2021-10-07 18:21

Three different variants of Sherman Firefly served during the Second World War, each based on a different variant of the M4 Sherman. The Firefly conversion was carried out on Sherman I (M4), Sherman I Hybrid (M4 Composite) and Sherman V (M4A4) tanks. Some sources state that several Sherman IIs (M4A1) were converted and used in action, but photos allegedly showing these conversions are in fact views of the front half of Sherman I Hybrid Fireflies.[citation needed] To complicate matters, a very small number of Canadian licence-built Sherman IIs (M4A1), the Grizzly, were converted to Fireflies in Canada and used for training, but none saw action

mike962 DE

2021-10-07 18:24

or maybe it's a longer Chrysler M4 A4 but the longer gap is not as visible with the fake wheels

[Image: m4a4_5.1.jpg]

-- Last edit: 2021-10-07 18:25:07

GodzillaFan54 CA

2021-10-07 21:47

You sure know your tanks!

mike962 DE

2021-12-23 16:45

Lateef wrote It's a gate guard. These are not intended to be operable, hence the discrepancies of the chassis. The hull itself and turret appear real enough to me.


there is another major inconsistency with a real Sherman, that side plate , never seen it mounted that high on real Sherman , back wheel also way too low

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