2013 Dacia Logan MCV Series II [X52]
2013 Dacia Logan MCV [X52] in Liebe, Diebe, Diamanten, Movie made for TV, 2015
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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
Comments about this vehicle
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◊ 2018-03-01 19:53 |
Jesus, has to be the worst attempt at a fake British police car we've had in some time. |
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◊ 2018-03-01 22:01 |
With police budgets as they are, it might be a foretaste of the very near future. |
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◊ 2018-03-01 22:10 |
a Dacia really can't be worse than the Britsh Layland crap of the past... |
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◊ 2018-03-01 22:20 |
I'm talking more about the livery than the choice of car. |
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◊ 2018-03-02 00:39 |
Which was better than your spelling. |
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◊ 2018-03-02 00:48 |
Clarkson himself made whole shows of how crap british cars were -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 00:55:54 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 08:47 |
I spent a lot of the sixties, seventies and eighties driving them. Clarkson is a sensation seeker who uses hyperbole in place of the facts. The Landcrab 1800 was a very good family car, my family had three in succession, keeping the last one, a Morris 1800 Mk 3, for about 8 years. The Marina was no better, or worse, than my Fiat 131 Mirafiori, and my mother’s Dolomite 1850 was a very nice car indeed. Before the Leyland era, and before I could drive, admittedly, we had Morris Oxfords MO, and Series III, a Cowley Series II and a Minor 1000, and there was, latterly a Rover badged Montego 1.6 automatic which mother kept for about four years after my father passed. There was also an Austin A55 Cambridge Mk2, and a Triumph 2000. To demonstrate that I possess knowledge of other makes of the period, I had inter alia, a 1954 Ford Popular 103E, a 1957 Victor Model F, a 1960 VW1200, two Lancia Fulvias, a Renault 20TL, the aforementioned 131, four Hillman Hunters, a MkV Cortina and a Mk I Granada. They were, in general, similar in driving experience and reliability to the BMC/BL cars my father kept faith with. Have you any experience of these cars, or are you just spouting recycled opinion? -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 09:11:29 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 11:48 |
Dad bought his 1st BL car in around 1974, a 3 month old Quartic Allegro, bought to replace a '71 VW 1600 TC Fastback which had been very disappointing, very unreliable (and everyone wanted to run into it, never buy a green car!). The Allegro never broke down, it just wasn't a nice thing to be in, this was the 1st car we'd owned with a radio fitted but you couldn't hear it above 50mph because of wind noise. This was soon swapped for a '74 Dolly 1850 auto which was wonderful but you could hear it rusting, the rear arches & boot lid lip were a mess when he bought a new 1700HL wedge in '79. This was problem free and was traded in '82 for a new Ambassador which was junk, the roof kept cracking at the tailgate hinges and was never repaired satisfactorily so was swapped after a year for a shiny new MG Maestro. The Maestro was fine once the carb update kit had been fitted (new jets & a heat shield to prevent fuel vapourisation) and was fine up to around 70K miles when the electrical problems kicked in, the talking dashboard (Maggie Thatcher) went ape and wouldn't shut up ("Handbrake on" "Tailgate open", all in that incessant drone....) . The final problem was when the rocker cover cracked on the way home from Manchester aiport, it took a roll of Gaffer tape and 3 gallons of oil to get home. In '87/88 he went back to VW, Mk2 Golfs were built to withstand nuclear warfare and were probably Volkswagen's finest moment, Dad's been VW ever since and has had one minor issue, there was a software problem with early auto-handbrakes, his Passat rolled away, so did many others....... -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 11:58:35 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 12:51 |
In my family British cars has always been very close to being bought, but never managed to reach our garage until last year. My dad has always been a fan of British and French cars, but his current Land Rover Discovery Sport is his first own British car after a lot of Renaults and Citroens, and we are very satisfacted with it. When I was a little child I remember he was almost buying a Rover 75, a friend of him owned (and still owns, I believe) one and he felt in love with it when we had to replace our Renault Laguna, but then my mom persuaded him to buy a minivan instead. My mom in her youth tried more times to buy a classic Mini which she loved a lot, but then always choosed something else, always Italian cars before switching to French models like now. Some monhts ago I was thinking to replace my Citroen C3 with a new Mini F55 or a Countryman F60, but prices are really too high, considering that in order to have an at least similar equipment to my previous C3 (which was almost full optional) I had to spend almost the same my dad spent for the new Disco Sport...  For what regards reliability, our first British car (the Disco) is very satisfacting so far, probably the best one among the large cars we owned so far, maybe together with the Renault Laguna. The most problems had the Fiats-Lancias we owned. Our Renaults never had problems, the Citroens some more but they are probably the cars we enjoyed the most so far, for what regards performances, comfort, interior quality and design. |
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◊ 2018-03-02 13:53 |
The Cortina MkV estate takes my story to 1984, when I got a management job with a car in the package. These averaged about 22000 miles a year, being mercilessly thrashed up and down the motorways. The company offered a list of cars from which to choose, and the time period from then until 1996 was filled as follows:- 84 Escort 1.6GL; 86 Escort 1.6 Ghia; 89 Vauxhall Astra SXI Estate; 92 Vauxhall Cavalier 1.7tdi intercooler. In 96 the faithful Cav, with almost 100,000 miles in 4 years, was swapped for a Golf 1.9TDI Estate, so my British cars came to an end. In about a quarter of a million miles I never had to call out a garage. British cars all rubbish? Not in my experience. To be fair, I have to say that the 96 Golf, and the 2000 Golf that followed it were reliable, the 06 Audi A4 Avant suffered two broken rear springs so, by now retired, I bought the 2012 M-B. That has been fine until a recent bill for new brake sensors on the front wheels, I hope that my 2018 M-B, to be collected next week due to the weather, proves to be as good. -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:06:15 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 13:58 |
well fun fact BL was once the fifth car maker in the world !!!! how come French, Germany, Italy kept there auto industry alive while the british one is as good as dead ? BTW I drove a Dacia Logan and it's quite decent car , sure I wouldn't dare do high speed slaloms with it but for that money it's spacious and feels quite solid, my bet it's a Renault 19 underneath -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:05:59 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:06 |
The new model is made on a revamped version of the B0 platform (Nissan Juke), itself being a stretched variant of the B platform underpinning the actuals Renault Clio and Captur and the previous generations of Renault Clio, Twingo and Nissan Micra among the others. A reliable setup and definitely nothing cheap, at least mechanically (consider that new Dacias use the new generation Renault engines too) -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:09:11 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:08 |
I drove a 2007 model which had the 1.6 16 V and 102 HP , the old one probably is a Renault 19 what felt weird I had the impression to sit on a high bench compared to more modern cars -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:10:11 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:10 |
The car industry in Britain produced 1.6 million cars in 2016, the demise of BL was almost entirely due to political interference and stroppy workforce. You have not commented upon your own experience which might give you the right to make your ill Informed offerings. -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:16:07 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:11 |
Seems that old and new Logan/Sandero are based on the same platform, which was revised again for the new models (called B0 on first generation and M0 on the second one). Consider that it's a long time this platform is being used by the Renault-Nissan group, since the times of the Renault Clio 2 in 1998 -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:11:47 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:14 |
and how many of those produced are under british capital ??? Jaguar and Land Rover owned by indian TATA the former colony , yeah sounds so awesome .... imagine if a libyan company would take over FIAT -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:15:42 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:17 |
Still no information from you, just prejudice and Clarkson inspired claptrap. -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:21:11 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:24 |
posters here say same thing Link to "www.pistonheads.com" if it's true or not it doesn't even matter as in the real world PERCEPTION is actually more important than reality, if something is perceived bad usually it's game over -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:25:30 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:28 |
I agree that there are more or less reliable cars, but in my opinion the health of a car is made in good part by the care of its owner. I can report the example of two friends of mine: both driving their parents' Fiat Stilos (surely not the most reliable car in the story) having almost the same age, one (1.6) had a so long list of problems that made it almost dangerous to drive (so that he always preferred to ride in his sister's old Citroen Saxo), the other one (1.8) is still in use and in perfect conditions (last year he drove several times to Denmark for the Erasmus). The Stilo of my other friend's mom was then replaced by a Ford Focus and shortly after he bought a Seat Ibiza for himself: he choosed a VW-group car for the reliability, because he didn't want to have again similar problems as with the Fiat. In a short time the Ibiza had several problems, mainly due to the DPF filter, and became practically unusable, so that he had to replace it again short time ago, this time avoiding VW makes because he now holds them for unreliable and switched to Toyota. Meanwhile, the Stilo of my other friend runs and runs... |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:28 |
Still no first hand experience. Everything you say seems to be quoting a third party. I shall take no further notice of you. |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:30 |
cry me a river |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:44 |
I've owned 3 Mercedes cars and 2 vans (Sprinters) and as things stand, I'll never buy another car (jury still out on vans, NCV3 Sprinters are riddled with design problems, the only problem being the competition is worse). The cars - 2 16V 190e's were wonderful, fast, good handling, ultra-reliable and gave the impression of being built to last forever. C32 AMG, oh dear.... The designers, in their wisdom, decided that the radiator and gearbox oil cooler should be a common unit, and made of plastic, the join between then fails at around 50K miles and your auto box is contaminated with glycol, this dissolves the clutches, rots the electrical pack and destroys the torque converter. Talking to Graham (proprietor of the suberb Automatic Transmissions in Preston), every single auto Merc for about a 5 year period did this, if you were lucky and a high mileage driver, your warranty covered the work, if, like me you bought a low mileage car outside the main dealer network, you were looking at a bill for £1000's. I was lucky, the supplying dealer paid for the work (after threats of Trading Standards and BBC watchdog). Oh, and the relay for the secondary air pump fails closed, the pump overheats and burns out, £400 from Mercedes, "They all do that sir!". |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:47 |
when it comes to Mercedes the last TRUE Mercedes were W201 and the W124 and W140 , the W124 has a reputation to last forever the manager in charge of the W140 was actually FIRED for making the car TOO reliable .... since the mid 90s car reliability started to go downhill because it's in the interest of producers to force you to buy cars more often and to spend money on expensive repairs -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 14:50:28 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:54 |
In 2016 more cars were produced in the UK than in Italy (it wasn't even particularly close, either). Just because British Leyland were big it doesn't mean having a collection of brands with competing products and divergent interests was a good idea. That's before you consider all the various issues underneath that (some going well past the end of BL) such as aging products, new products that were rushed to market and left under-developed, bad management, industrial disputes that were all over the news... Consider all that and look at the industry today and you'll see who is in trouble and who has not learned any lessons. I really don't think the whole Peugeot-Citroen-Opel thing will work as there doesn't seem to be much difference between the brands and you can tick off pretty much every issue on my list (other than, maybe, industrial disputes) with Fiat-Chrysler today. Honestly, if my sole interest was a car to function as a car, I would go Japanese or maybe Ford/Vauxhall (with these reliability seems to be dependent on model/version but at least they're almost always cheaply fixed). |
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◊ 2018-03-02 14:57 |
Vauxhall / Opel is as good as dead , they will slowly become PSA products with different badge or outright phased out when it comes to reliability a friend of mine has a modern HYUNDAI and he claims they are very reliable and build quality much better than there older stuff, Hyundai/ KIA do have longer warranties then the standard -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 15:00:38 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 15:01 |
And let's not forget the bottom 1/2 resprays under warranty on all those early-mid 2000's Mercs, how bad were your wheel arches? If you want to bad mouth UK industry & products, (specifically BL) then recognise where your own indigenous auto industry failed spectacularly, I'd still like to discuss with Stuttgart who exactly thought it would be a good idea to use steel for electrical wiring? (TN1 Sprinters) or who decided soft toffee was a suitable material for 1/2 shafts (NCV3). |
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◊ 2018-03-02 15:02 |
The matter is also that, like Henry Ford (or someone else) should have said, 'what isn't there, it can't break'. Most older cars were more reliable than new ones (at least under some aspects) because they were very simple: no electronics (or very few) and no frills at all, so there were less things risking a failure and repairs were much less expensive. BUT, older cars weren't so safe and comfortable like new ones (neither so clean, despite the actual controversies about diesel cars), and this is something very important imho Anyway, my dad often tells that in his youth there were so many cars to be seen on the roadsides with open bonnet and drivers trying to fix some damage. Nowadays it's much more rare to see, also because it's practically impossible nowasdays to open the bonnet for a diy-repair: if it happens (and it happened to me already two times), you only have to call the service and wait for them... |
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◊ 2018-03-02 15:09 |
I believe that the PSA group risks too much with Opel/Vauxhall. The problem of the PSA group is that its brands are too similar, except from DS which still doesn't seem to have found his precise identity so far. In a long time they managed to differentiate enough Citroen and Peugeot with good results, to insert Opel in a then well-balanced context doesn't seem to me a good move, but who knows... Anyway, GM could have done something more for its European brands, it seemed that they were making a full integration between Buick and Opel and this could have been brought to good results imho... For what regards the British industry, I always hope that it will shine back soon. Tata is doing a great work with JLR (and they could do even more if they only would revive the Rover brand for a range of cars as competitor of VW, Opel etc.), hope that SAIC will dare some more and bring more models to Europe (possibly producing them in UK): MG cars sell good in several markets, they could revive a sort of modern 'British Leyland' if they would sell their entire range in Europe, maybe using old glorious brands they own, like Austin (for Baojun models as entry level range) or Morris (for the Roewe models, as semi-premium cars). Not to forghet that other glorious British brands are owned by BMW and PSA: BMW's Mini is a well-known (and succesful) story, it would be great if they would to the same for example with Triumph -- Last edit: 2018-03-02 15:22:18 |
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◊ 2018-03-02 15:49 |
Vauxhall/Opel has got 2 years tops, they'll be asset stripped and closed down, that's what French industry does when they take over a foreign competitor. If VW ends up facing the same legal action in Europe as has happened in the US then they're bankrupt, although Angela will probably persuede the EU Parliament that it isn't in European (read German) interests for this action to happen, the legal challenge will be blocked. Can you imagine this happening for a non-German industry within the EU? I can't. |
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◊ 2018-03-03 13:30 |
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