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1968 Rover 3.5 Litre Coupé [P5B]

1968 Rover 3.5 Litre Coupé [P5B] in Heartbeat, TV Series, 1992-2009 Ep. 07.16

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin:

1968 Rover 3.5 Litre Coupé [P5B]

00:05:42 Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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Author	Message
dsl ◊ 2023-07-30 02:26	3.5 Litre Coupé
HartyBeats ◊ 2023-09-15 12:32	INCONSISTENCY OBSERVATION: Classified as a Sedan, but described as a Coupé. How can one tell from the picture this car is a Coupé and not a Saloon?
dsl ◊ 2023-09-15 12:56	Rover 3-litre and 3.5 litre had 2 body styles - both 4 door - a normal saloon and what they called a coupe with lowered roof (it was originally going to be called Sportsman Saloon but they changed name before launch). Coupe had lower roof - not always clear in pics - but if you get your eye in it starts to register. However easier clue is shape of front quarterlights - saloon was normal triangle with vertical divider, coupe as here a slightly slanted rectangle without a pointy top. There were differences on rear pillars as well - coupe had rear quarterlights and thicker more slanted C-pillar. Pics on wiki P5 page may help. We use Coupe category only for 2-door things (or 2 door sporty things with a hatch such as Capri) as far as I know - can't promise that's 100% solid rule, but probably 99.999%.
HartyBeats ◊ 2023-09-15 13:28	So, despite the deduction the car is a Coupé and the car can be classified as a Coupé, the car will continue to classified as a Sedan and the inconsistency will continue to prevail?
dsl ◊ 2023-09-15 13:47	Yes. Unfortunately Rover are no longer around to receive your complaint.
HartyBeats ◊ 2023-09-15 14:58	There is no complaint, as stated in UPPER CASE, it is an OBSERVATION
dsl ◊ 2023-09-15 15:56	I'm done with dealing with all these petulant responses. Your lead question on this page about the recognition differences was legit, so got a serious explanation in reply. However, as with many exchanges you then niggled away pointlessly. Maybe other admins will deal with all your retorts more constructively, but I suggest if you want your contributions to be fully and properly processed, you lose the confrontational attitude so that they can do the necessary steps without all the bickering.
QueenMDX ◊ 2023-09-15 16:10	Yeah, HartyBeats, please try to request changes in a respectful manner to the admins.
HartyBeats ◊ 2023-09-15 16:43	dsl wrote I'm done with dealing with all these petulant responses. Your lead question on this page about the recognition differences was legit, so got a serious explanation in reply. However, as with many exchanges you then niggled away pointlessly. Maybe other admins will deal with all your retorts more constructively, but I suggest if you want your contributions to be fully and properly processed, you lose the confrontational attitude so that they can do the necessary steps without all the bickering. If you want my responses to be more palatable to you, you might like to consider leading by example and demonstrating your own suggestion, i.e. you adopt a more convivial approach, that way you might get what you give.
HartyBeats ◊ 2023-09-15 16:44	QueenMDX wrote Yeah, HartyBeats, please try to request changes in a respectful manner to the admins. I have not requested any changes to this entry, I have simply highlighted an observation and have done so entirely in an respectful manner. One outcome that continues to remain is the inconsistency I have highlighted is accepted and removed.
daimlere20 ◊ 2023-09-16 19:35	"How can one tell from the picture this car is a Coupé and not a Saloon?" dsl has already provided a detailed response, but to those such as me who don't have his depth of knowledge, the easiest way is to establish if this particular model of car has rear quarter-lights, which as can be seen, this one has. As for an "OBSERVATION" that a saloon car can't be a Coupé: I am afraid that everyone one of us that agreed with the point you make would then also be wrong. Of course a saloon car can be a coupé. A two-door, 4-light style of coachwork can be classed as a saloon. -- Last edit: 2023-09-16 19:40:58
HartyBeats ◊ 2023-09-16 20:18	daimlere20 wrote "How can one tell from the picture this car is a Coupé and not a Saloon?" dsl has already provided a detailed response, but to those such as me who don't have his depth of knowledge, the easiest way is to establish if this particular model of car has rear quarter-lights, which as can be seen, this one has. As for an "OBSERVATION" that a saloon car can't be a Coupé: I am afraid that everyone one of us that agreed with the point you make would then also be wrong. Of course a saloon car can be a coupé. A two-door, 4-light style of coachwork can be classed as a saloon. To comment I stated "a saloon car can't be a Coupé" is a misrepresentation of what I stated. I never stated "a saloon car can't be a Coupé", I simply made the observation this entry is classified as a Sedan, but described as a Coupé, which is true, so right and not wrong. -- Last edit: 2023-09-16 20:19:47
daimlere20 ◊ 2023-09-16 20:58	Firstly, I can assure you that I am not a rude person - I am just trying to understand, so please bear with me. Can you explain to me your definition of a Sedan, please? What is your reasoning for stating that "...and the car can be classified as a Coupé, the car will continue to classified as a Sedan and the inconsistency will continue to prevail?" My definition of a Sedan (not a term commonly used in the UK), is a fixed metal roof, which in turn (in the UK at least), would mean that the car could be named and sold, as Rover did in this instance, as a Coupé. "...so right and not wrong." Unfortunately, unless there is another meaning to the word "sedan", at this juncture you are wrong.
HartyBeats ◊ 2023-09-16 21:39	daimlere20 wrote Firstly, I can assure you that I am not a rude person - I am just trying to understand, so please bear with me. Can you explain to me your definition of a Sedan, please? What is your reasoning for stating that "...and the car can be classified as a Coupé, the car will continue to classified as a Sedan and the inconsistency will continue to prevail?" My definition of a Sedan (not a term commonly used in the UK), is a fixed metal roof, which in turn (in the UK at least), would mean that the car could be named and sold, as Rover did in this instance, as a Coupé. "...so right and not wrong." Unfortunately, unless there is another meaning to the word "sedan", at this juncture you are wrong. Sedan is the first classification of car of the Class selection field when adding a vehicle, it is therefore reasonably for IMCDB to define what a Sedan is. My observation this entry is classified as a Sedan, but described as a Coupé is still true, so my observation is still right and not wrong.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-09-16 21:55	The classifications used are riddled with inconsistencies such as English taxis being described as “Sedan” when they have divisions between the driver and the passengers and are therefore not “Sedan” but “Limousine”. I have given up with this, one of the problems being national differences, which are possibly unresolvable.
daimlere20 ◊ 2023-09-16 22:52	John, I am afraid I am with you. I think with your knowledge of R-R & Bs, dsl's knowledge of just about everything (how is it even possible?!), and the bit I know of Daimlers & Lanchesters, we often think of these things in terms of coachbuilders and the individuality they brought to vehicles. We are aware that contradictions exist - such as the R-R PIII "Sports Limousine" that sold not that long ago from the Robert Riding collection, and so such as this P5B Coupé legitimately being a sedan (saloon), is no surprise. I have to say, that when I am called upon on a regular basis to provide information for auction houses, and when I am currently proof reading a draft for an eminent member of the Society of Automotive Historians, I find this situation trivial in the extreme, bizarre, and wholly unnecessary.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2023-09-16 23:18	^^ Thank you.
Lateef ◊ 2023-09-20 18:57	Ep. 1.04
dsl ◊ 2023-09-20 19:53	Also I think the mostly obscured off-white roof on left in this from ep1.03 - likely same car. Both this and ep1.04 are Coupes with the more slanted and thicker C-pillar.

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