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1992 Ford Escort SW MkV

1992 Ford Escort SW MkV in Surplus: Terrorized Into Being Consumers, Documentary, 2003 IMDB

Class: Cars, Wagon — Model origin: DE

1992 Ford Escort SW MkV

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Exiv96 BE

2010-06-27 01:00

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1992, according to the registration.

Gomselmash11

2010-06-29 19:30

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Built in Poland this?

cl82 DE

2010-06-29 19:39

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I might be wrong, but I think back in the early 90s when this one was built there was no Ford-facility in Poland. Actually, the Ka which is produced there today is assembled in a factory which belongs to a joint-venture with Fiat. The European Mark V was, a far as I know and as far as Europe is concerned, only built in Halewood(RHD) and Saarlouis.

130rapid PL

2010-06-29 19:39

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Gomselmash11 wrote Built in Poland this?


It's 1992 MY car, so "Made in Poland" impossible.

Polish plant in Płońsk worked since 1995 to mid-2000.
Assembled Escort, Fiesta, Ka, Mondeo, Transit & Focus cars.

Starting with cars' assembling in Płońsk was last-minute Ford's decision because felt GM and VW breaths on neck surprisingly.
Opel started assembling Astra in FSO Żerań factory, Volkswagen - introduced Skoda Felicia from Antoninek-Poznań, ex-Tarpan pick-ups' plant.

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Gag Halfrunt UK

2010-06-29 20:09

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In case anyone's wondering, the Escort has an Italian plate from Genoa.
http://www.olavsplates.com/italy2.html

ingo DE

2010-06-29 21:02

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It would rather a reason to wonder, when it has no plates from Genua - the pic is stock footage from the riots around the G8-summit. As some other pics, too. ;)

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Gomselmash11

2010-07-01 00:36

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This Escort Wagon says "Built in: Poland" -> /vehicle_169250-Ford-Escort-Turnier-1995.html :??:

(inactive user)

2010-07-01 00:45

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Because it is a Polish movie.

130rapid PL

2010-07-01 03:09

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Gomselmash11 wrote This Escort Wagon says "Built in: Poland" -> /vehicle_169250-Ford-Escort-Turnier-1995.html :??:


This sample isn't obvious even (as built in Poland) because many second-hand Escorts imported to Poland from western countries.

ingo DE

2010-07-01 09:35

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Is there any possibility at Ford's to identify the country, where they were made? :??:
AFAIK Escort's were also made in Germany, Belgium, Britain and Spain.

Or is it the same as with the different Opel's, for example the Astra G? There you only can see it by checking the FIN-number.

As 130rapid wrote, it's never said, that a car, visible in a country, was also built there.

The Astra's are a good example: a friend's father was a worker in the Opel-factory in Bochum. He has built the Astra. Once he had ordered a new car, with the worker's-discount. When he got it, he had seen, that it was made in Britian.

And in Bochum and towns around, I've seen several times, trucks with Polish plates, loading off Polish made Astra's and Zafira's, delivering them to the local Opel-dealers. Then they drive to the Opel-plant, for picking up Astra's and Zafira's for bringing them back Eastwards.

:think: Strange, but there must be a reason for it...

Gag Halfrunt UK

2010-07-01 11:02

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Perhaps they try to concentrate each version of a model (engine size, trim level, etc.) at one factory. And it would make sense to give the most popular versions to the factory with the largest capacity.

Sunbar UK

2010-07-01 12:07

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Its actually the reverse of that.

Dual or multiple sourcing is common, its based on all mainstream variants, including RHD or LHD, being made at all locations. Any capacity or scheduling problems associated with a single location are eliminated. Only very specialised versions of body or engine/drivetrain will be limited to a specific manufacturing location. The increased transport costs of the final vehicle are seen as a minor consideration.

dsl SX

2010-07-01 12:24

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Both scenarios can apply - it just depends on the manufacturer. In early 1990s I had a tour of the Vauxhall Luton factory (RIP). They were making Cavaliers and Opel Vectras in both RHD and LHD on the same production lines; this included LHD Cavaliers and RHD Vectras. Many of the RHD Vectras were supplied to Europe, so that UK buyers could then buy them under an EU ruling for open markets at much cheaper prices than through UK dealerships as UK prices were more expensive than elsewhere in Europe.

Single factory production tends to concentrate on the more specialised versions (eg sport or luxury trim) or particular body styles such as estates or coupes, with one factory covering the whole of Europe. Other examples are Mercedes and BMW with most RHD C-series and 3-series sold in UK made in South Africa.

Gag Halfrunt UK

2010-07-01 12:27

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Interesting, thanks. Where were the LHD Cavaliers going?

dsl SX

2010-07-01 12:36

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I was intrigued by the LHD Cavaliers too, but my guide was a personnel manager and did not know; there weren't many of them compared to the RHD Vectras though. The other disappointment about the visit was that we were not given any free samples afterwards to take home.

Gag Halfrunt UK

2010-07-01 12:43

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My wild guess for the LHD Cavaliers would be Nigeria or Ghana, both former British colonies that switched to driving on the right. I've noticed a lot of Opels in photos from Ghana, for what it's worth, but they might well be used imports from Europe.

dsl SX

2010-07-01 13:08

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Interesting idea for Luton-built Cavaliers going to Africa - I'd imagine some significant specification changes from European models eg uprated air conditioning, electrics, suspension etc which would be complicated variations from the mainstream components. Going back to the RHD Vectras and their destinations, I think Opel survived as a brand name in Eire for some time after being stopped in the UK; other possible markets include Cyprus and Malta.

One general point about this multiple market production should be more widely understood for buyers of new cars at UK car supermarkets; sometimes they sell cancelled batch orders of cars originally intended for other RHD markets. Legal requirements (eg lighting, instruments) and other quirks such as radio bands are corrected for UK, but other spec differences may still lurk eg Cyprus and Malta cars have much less powerful heaters and heated rear windows which can be useless for UK winters and rustproofing is often much less robust than for salted UK roads. Crucial question to ask is whether the car is to full UK spec.


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Sunbar UK

2010-07-01 13:38

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Getting a bit off-topic perhaps but to add my comments from experience within the industry and working for GM in UK and Germany...

I cannot say its the only possiblity, but LHD Vauxhall Cavaliers would be available to meet UK government contracts for overseas vehicles. Vauxhall would routinely bid in the past for supplying vehicles to the UK armed forces.

Opels do continue to be available as RHD in Eire. Also they are privately 'imported' into the UK. (Some resellers in the UK have however been prosecuted for re-badging Opels as Vauxhalls).

Specification variants for extreme climates on Vauxhall/Opels are fewer than you would think. Up-rated suspensions are common but heating, air-conditioning, and corrosion resistance are, from my experience with GM-Europe (1980-2002), standardised for all climates. Safety and lighting regulations are either US-Federal, EU/EEC, Australian or Japanese with majoritory of it being standardised for multiple markets.

dsl SX

2010-07-01 13:59

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The defence contract scenario might explain why folk were uninformative about the LHD Cavaliers. Re the car supermarket issue, I've heard of cases of some Fiats and Skodas with mediterranean spec which don't cope with British winters, but again it seems different manufacturers do different things.

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ingo DE

2010-07-01 20:23

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I've heard from my Japanese friend, that the cars for the local market there shall be much worse, in rust protection and safety-constructions than the versions for the export.

My friend Rudi, who was a prototype-engineer in the VW Passat-factory for 31 years, told me, that often the cars, ordered by the workers for their own use (with a big employees-discount) often are better than that ones for the regular customers. It was arranged half-legally, "under the hand", as we say in German, that some of them had more, officially not available, equipment-combinations, and also one coat of paint and some kilogrammes of rust-conservation more than usual.

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cl82 DE

2010-07-07 00:10

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:lol: Interesting story, but absolutely believable. I used to know someone who worked at the Audi-factory in Neckarsulm. When I last saw him a couple of years ago, he was still driving his early-90s Audi 100 C4 with the 2.3 litre engine. The day his car was being built, he had taken a day off in order to be able to personally "supervise" the final assembly of his car to make sure his collegues got the job right and fit the car with a couple of "unofficial" extras.

dsl SX

2018-05-30 19:02

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A LHD Vauxhall Astra in Taiwan - /vehicle.php?id=1146856

130rapid PL

2018-11-21 11:26

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I've been found numbers of 1995-2000 Ford assembly in Płońsk, by chance, on 'Auto-Świat' no. 35/2000.
They're just 'around' numbers mostly.
Escort - 48,000 cars assembled
Focus (late 1998-2000) - 19,000
Transit - 10,500
Fiesta - 8000
Ka - under 2500
88,475 pcs in total. Quite large amounts!

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dsl SX

2020-03-31 16:47

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Maybe Luton-build RHD Vectras were also destined for Japan??

Sunbar UK

2020-03-31 19:16

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The export market RHD Opels and specifically Vectras were commonly built in Opel plants in continental Europe, as well as in Luton, in similarly high volumes.

The flexibility of GM-Europe plants, certainly up until the Luton car plant closed, had the objective that all plants building a certain car line Vectra, Astra etc. would build both Vauxhall and Opel variants.
Likewise RHD and LHD versions were built in the UK and continental Europe without any local bias.
That was more than the Vauxhall or Opel badges as the trim level contents also differed; the Opels tending to be lower spec'ed than the equivalent Vauxhall so the Opel needed various add-on options to achieve the same result.

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