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johnfromstaffs ENRules for electrically assisted bicycles in U.K.

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/product-news/electric-bikes-uk-law-234973

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2019-12-10 14:54
johnfromstaffs ENHave been out today for lunch.

I used the bus, when you are my age it’s free, and the bus stops are about 200 metres away.
2019-11-05 21:56
Ingo DE
johnfromstaffs wrote
Including the electric bicycles with no number plates? Not that I could ride one in drink anyway.

Well, there's an easy trick: take an oldfashioned analogue bicycle.
In Germany you can have then up to 1,7 permille.
2019-11-05 21:06
johnfromstaffs EN
the sad biker wrote

It's the same here, if it has a motor of any kind, it's a vehicle and must be treated as such regarding registration & insurance etc, the only exceptions are electric Barbie Jeeps and council go-karts.


Including the electric bicycles with no number plates? Not that I could ride one in drink anyway.

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2019-11-04 19:24
the sad biker UK
Ingo wrote
No, that's not unclear: it's not allowed.
Here we have actually a discussion about the masses of E-Scooters in large cities as Berlin - because many of them were used by sozzled people for the purpose of coming home from the pub.
In Germany it's illegal, because the E-Scooters are handled as Mopeds. They also have a wee insurance plate, the same as Mopeds up to 50 ccm.


It's the same here, if it has a motor of any kind, it's a vehicle and must be treated as such regarding registration & insurance etc, the only exceptions are electric Barbie Jeeps and council go-karts.
2019-11-04 10:33
Ingo DE
johnfromstaffs wrote ...
It still leaves me unclear as to whether I could buy an electric bike, or a pipsqueek moped, to ride back from the pub without prejudice to my driving licence. (Not that such a thought would ever cross my mind!)

No, that's not unclear: it's not allowed.
Here we have actually a discussion about the masses of E-Scooters in large cities as Berlin - because many of them were used by sozzled people for the purpose of coming home from the pub.
In Germany it's illegal, because the E-Scooters are handled as Mopeds. They also have a wee insurance plate, the same as Mopeds up to 50 ccm.
2019-11-04 09:57
johnfromstaffs ENA lot of the regulations dated back to the days of the horsepower taxes, which resulted from politicians’ perennial scrabble to extract the maximum in taxes while losing the minimum of votes. It always seemed to me that a three wheeler built along car lines was a very different proposition from a powerful motorbike and sidecar, you could drop yourself in it big time on either type, but for very different reasons.

It still leaves me unclear as to whether I could buy an electric bike, or a pipsqueek moped, to ride back from the pub without prejudice to my driving licence. (Not that such a thought would ever cross my mind!)
2019-11-04 09:19
ElSaxo IT
Ingo wrote
Some regulations were aligned EU-wide, but not all.
So some years ago there was a big discussion in Germany about the permission about the -in France and Holland quite popular- 45 km/h microcars, which had to be allowed for drivers 16 years or older.
They were introduced in Germany but due the high price and the terrible safety
https://youtu.be/-vWTNselXRM
they never gained acceptance.

Every comment below that video is a unique gem.
2019-11-04 01:09
Ingo DE
johnfromstaffs wrote ...
As we are still at present in the EU, shouldn’t this apply in the other member states?

Some regulations were aligned EU-wide, but not all.
So some years ago there was a big discussion in Germany about the permission about the -in France and Holland quite popular- 45 km/h microcars, which had to be allowed for drivers 16 years or older.
They were introduced in Germany but due the high price and the terrible safety
https://youtu.be/-vWTNselXRM
they never gained acceptance.

Interesting, that in Britain there still are extra regulations for threewheelers.
It's known, that they played a role since the 30ies (due tax reasons IIRC?), but I thought, these ancient rules were dropped nowadays, as for example the old 250 ccm rule in West Germany (dropped in 2013).
People, who made a license for small motorbikes before the 1.12.1954, were allowed to drive also cars up to 250 ccm.
For that people the many small versions of Goggomobil, Messerschmidt Kabinenroller, Isetta and so on were made - and up to the late 80ies the curbed (with Goggo-engine) NSU Prinz IV, Fiat 500 and 126.

btw.: one ancient German law is still valid:
in the mid-30ies you could be freed of the yearly vehicle tax, if you payed once a specific sum. Then the vehicle runs tax-free for the rest of its life.
There are a handful of vintage classic with that dispensation still alive.
And the dispensation stayed still valid, when the registration was interrupted. So even if the vehicle rested in a barn since WWII, when these tax-papers still exits, it will be tax-free, when it got a new registration now.
2019-11-03 23:30
johnfromstaffs ENI’ve just looked at the regs. Apparently if you are over 21 and hold a full car licence you can ride/drive a trike.

Link to "www.o2w.co.uk"

https://www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q504.htm

As we are still at present in the EU, shouldn’t this apply in the other member states?


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2019-11-03 19:49
Ingo DE
chicomarx wrote @ingo In Holland they sold massive numbers...

As the guy, who sold me the Robin for my brother-in-law told me, in Holland they lowered the light weight of the to 399 kg (in the papers, not technical), that the Robin could be used as a tax-free and APK-free (technical inspection) vehicle for handicapped.
:think: Or for old people with an old drivers licence? Actually I don't know...
@DynaMike: do you know details?
2019-11-03 17:46
chicomarx BE@ingo In Holland they sold massive numbers. Still 724 Reliants on the road in 1996, of which 518 Robins.
Link to "www.volkskrant.nl"
https://www.autoweek.nl/autonieuws/artikel/in-het-wild-reliant-robin/
I'm guessing their biggest export market. Can't find current numbers.
2019-11-02 03:05
midnight USI had this random landscape picture saved on my computer for awhile because I liked it, I never thought it would be the Czech Republic and I found that out by using TinEye and looking at the copyright owner. My stepdad is from there and took me there when I was younger to Prague and some smaller towns and to Vienna.
Link to "www.123rf.com"
2019-11-01 20:18
Mystery Man DE
Ingo wrote
That area is far out of my horizon, so I'm not sure, but most likely the Czech towns, you find direction signs of there, are the "beer towns" Pilsen and Budweis :beer: :D

Just near the border crossings in Germany are signs to the towns near the border. So for example there are signs in Selb (Bavaria) to Cheb or Aš. But on the motorway there are signs to Prague some kilometres earlier. I think Austria is closer to Budweis than Germany...
2019-11-01 19:07
Ingo DE
chicomarx wrote Belgium? I've never seen one here, in fact they may be illegal.
"In België is het niet mogelijk een Reliant Robin op kenteken te krijgen." https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin

ah, thanks for the info.
As there were so many odd and strange cars sold in Belgium back then, I thought you had the Reliants there, too :D

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2019-11-01 18:55
Ingo DE
mok wrote
Fake road sign?? :??:
[Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-01199782132011946.jpg]

But the Bundesstraße B 470 exists in reality:
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesstraße_470
But it doesn't reach the Czech border, so to see direction Prag is unlikely.
That area is far out of my horizon, so I'm not sure, but most likely the Czech towns, you find direction signs of there, are the "beer towns" Pilsen and Budweis :beer: :D

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2019-11-01 18:51
chicomarx BEBelgium? I've never seen one here, in fact they may be illegal.
"In België is het niet mogelijk een Reliant Robin op kenteken te krijgen." https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliant_Robin
2019-11-01 18:50
Ingo DE
TheFordLtdMan wrote No Reliant Robin?

No - because filmed in South Africa and Germany, where Robins never appeared (Reliant at all, I think).

AFAIK Holland, Belgium and Austria are the only Continental European countries, where the Reliant Robin was sold.
The Robin, my brother-in-law owned some years ago, was even a limited special edition exclusively for Holland.
2019-11-01 18:40
TheFordLtdMan USNo Reliant Robin? 2019-11-01 18:32
mok HK:wow: 2019-11-01 14:44
Gag Halfrunt UKDefinitely fake. The Czech name for Prague is Praha. The German name for Prague is Prag.

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2019-11-01 14:12
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3?5d......
2019-11-01 14:06
mok HK[Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-011997821320124329.jpg][Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-01199782132011946.jpg] 2019-11-01 14:04
mok HK[Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-011997821320123411.jpg] 2019-11-01 14:03
mok HK[Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-011997821320122851.jpg] 2019-11-01 14:02
mok HK
Gag Halfrunt wrote
This is in Germany.

Fake road sign?? :??:
[Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-01199782132011946.jpg]
2019-11-01 14:01
mok HK[Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-01199782132010032.jpg][Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-01199782132010148.jpg][Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-01199782132010226.jpg][Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-01199782132010757.jpg][Image: 347222414924555290312019-11-01199782132011237.jpg] 2019-11-01 14:01
rjluna2 US
mok wrote Prague traffic light for rjluna...... :)

Scheduled to post a comment on 2020-7-20.
2019-10-31 21:45
Gag Halfrunt UK
mok wrote Prague traffic light for rjluna...... :)
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This is in Germany.
2019-10-31 20:27
S 415 GT DE2016+ X1 2019-10-31 19:31
JB FR2011+ Nissan Almera [N17].
Made for ZA.
2019-10-31 19:26
walter ITThe white one in the background, yes. But this looks a newer X1/X3/2 Active or Gran Tourer model (I don't know much new BMW models) 2019-10-31 19:22
JB FR2011+ Toyota Hilux
Built in South Africa.
2019-10-31 19:20
JB FR2011+ BMW X3 [F25].
Built in USA.
2019-10-31 19:16
mok HKFor impdb......

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2019-10-31 18:29
mok HKGermany traffic light for rjluna...... :)
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2019-10-31 18:24

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