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dhill_cb7 USBrand MAZDA
Catalog MAZDA2020
Name 323
Body Style HATCHBACK
Door 3-DOOR
Engine GASOLINE
Displacement 1500
Gearbox MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Minor Features HATCHBACK, 3-DOOR, W/O SUN ROOF, GASOLINE, 1500, B-SERIES ENG., W/O EGI, LEADED FUEL, LEADED FUEL, OHC, NOR-POWER, W/O TURBO, POLY. TANK, W/O CATA. CON., MANUAL TRANSMISSION, 5-SPEED, F-SHIFT, W/O S1DE STEP, 2-DISC, NOR. SUSP, 2WD, W/O A.S. ABSORB, ECE
Catalog No AEBA02
Region Europe
Manufactured 19870611
Model Year 1987
Drive L
Destination Region FI
Door Trim TDM
Seat STP
Exterior Color J1
Interior Color BE7
Produced From 04.1987
2023-06-19 02:01
Kagamihara Nadeshiko JP2001+ 2022-09-07 10:25
Kagamihara Nadeshiko JP1998+ 2022-09-07 10:04
Gamer DE2000-05 donut headrests. 2021-04-07 10:34
Gamer DEMCF series plate is from 2002. 2020-06-03 09:57
Gamer DE1996-97. 2018-08-30 18:34
Gamer DE2000-02. 2018-08-30 18:34
antp BEIndeed, I didn't notice that (10 years ago :D)

I suppose that "Familiale" replaces "Break"?
(seems it was used in NL too)

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2017-01-07 11:59
Gamer DEPeugeot 5D FAMILIALE 406 2.0I-8FRFVE/270
Tillv.månad: -
Reg.datum: 19980216
Chassinr: VF38FRFVE80481277
Cylindervolym: 1998
Motorkod: RFV
Motoreffekt kW: 97

And antp, that's the same as on the main pic. (same plate)
2017-01-07 11:42
Gamer DEMazda 2D HATCHBACK 323 LX-1.5-BF13C2/2400
Tillv.månad: -
Reg.datum: 19880000
Chassinr: JMZBF13C200412185
Cylindervolym: 1498
Motorkod: B5
Motoreffekt kW: 0
2017-01-07 11:40
Gamer DEBMW 4D 730D SEDAN AUTOMATIC-GM21/299
Tillv.månad: -
Reg.datum: 20030704
Chassinr: WBAGM21060DR51497
Cylindervolym: 2993
Motorkod: M57-TUD30
Motoreffekt kW: 160
2017-01-07 11:38
Gamer DEJaguar 4D XJ SALOON 4.2SC AUTOMATIC-5-A7T/303
Tillv.månad: -
Reg.datum: 20030903
Chassinr: SAJAA73R83TG10210
Cylindervolym: 4196
Motorkod: TB
Motoreffekt kW: 290
2017-01-07 11:05
custom1 CZ1975 or 1976 2013-02-20 11:23
m.pfaffeneder DE2004+ 2011-06-30 22:05
m.pfaffeneder DE1999+ 2011-04-26 16:52
130rapid PL1998 Serie 1 (more streamlined side mirrors). 2010-09-18 14:43
taxiguy US1981-85 2009-03-17 04:06
Alexander DE
antp wrote For Alexander, who likes to identify truck wheels seen through open doors:
[Image: 012616pk8.5999.jpg]

:D

It is not getting easier, but I would say it is a Volvo F7:
[Image: hpim1486387be75na8.th.jpg]
/vehicle_54328-Volvo-F7-1978.html
2007-12-18 01:42
Tönz DERight. :) 2007-12-11 14:48
peekay64 NLIt's not all doom and gloom with the 123's, there's still plenty of good ones around, BUT these won't be cheap! I've seen a 300TD Turbodiesel with ALL available option and just 75,000 km's on the clock sell recently for 15.000 euro's!!!!

Mine is still a good one :D . I found my 200T from 1981 in south of france a couple of years ago, from 1st owner with just 166k on the clock, but still immaculate...

http://home.planet.nl/~kante333/temp/200T81_166Mkm_129.jpg
2007-12-11 09:30
garco NLAh W201 is 190 right? 2007-12-10 20:18
Ingo DE@Badlymad: yes, these photos. Many thanks.
That with "MZ" is from Mainz (exactly from the popular touristic wine-town Bingen at the river Rhine) and out of registration (the silver sticker is scrapped off - in Germany by the authority). That one with the "D" is an export-plate from Düsseldorf, expired at the 1.April 2004.
2007-12-10 17:24
badlymad CA
Ingo wrote @badlymad: hmm, I'm suspicious, if this car was really stolen. I know the pic of it. I'm a license-plate-collector and we had discussed it in our forum, too. Was that car stolen indeed, or was it just an exported used car, or left somewhere in the world by an American citizen?

There are also some photos circulating in the Internet, which were originally made by the CIA. They are showing cars of suicide-bomber with German plates. Some hysterical and uneducated (about things in other countries except the own one) people from some US-authorities were screaming around, that this is the evidence, that there are some dark connections between Germany and the -alleged Al Quaida-related- terrorists.
Pure bullshit, these ideas.
You could see on the first view, that one plate was an export-plate and the other one was unvalid, after the German registration was expired (the silver sticker was scrapped off, scrapped off by a machine, which are placed in every German car-registration-office. So these old plates are meaning nothing. You can find out the former owner in Germany, resp. the exporter, that's all.


Here's an article that makes allegations that U.S auto theft rings were selling cars that eventually became bombs in Iraq- it is from 2005 though, so things might have changed since then:

Link to "www.boston.com"


In regards to the car with the German plates, was this the car you were talking about? It was an Opel used as a sniper platform rather than a car bomb, but the European plates are visible (The rest of the set is NWS-contains dead bodies)

http://www.strategypage.com/military_photos/add/2006719027267.aspx
2007-12-09 19:33
Gag Halfrunt UK
antp wrote And in some countries they cut cars in half to import them as spare parts (to prevent the high taxes), but later they simply paste the two half together :D

I've read that used vans from Japan are exported to the Philippines that way, with the added bonus that they're reassembled with left hand drive.

And Dubai is reputedly full of chop shops converting used Japanese cars to LHD.
2007-12-09 19:16
Ingo DE
antp wrote And in some countries they cut cars in half to import them as spare parts (to prevent the high taxes), but later they simply paste the two half together :D


Before 2003 Polish dealers have done so. The chassis on a trailer, engine and axles packed besides. A typical view on the Autobahn in the 90ies.
2007-12-09 19:05
Ingo DE@badlymad: hmm, I'm suspicious, if this car was really stolen. I know the pic of it. I'm a license-plate-collector and we had discussed it in our forum, too. Was that car stolen indeed, or was it just an exported used car, or left somewhere in the world by an American citizen?

There are also some photos circulating in the Internet, which were originally made by the CIA. They are showing cars of suicide-bomber with German plates. Some hysterical and uneducated (about things in other countries except the own one) people from some US-authorities were screaming around, that this is the evidence, that there are some dark connections between Germany and the -alleged Al Quaida-related- terrorists.
Pure bullshit, these ideas.
You could see on the first view, that one plate was an export-plate and the other one was unvalid, after the German registration was expired (the silver sticker was scrapped off, scrapped off by a machine, which are placed in every German car-registration-office. So these old plates are meaning nothing. You can find out the former owner in Germany, resp. the exporter, that's all.

With that pictures I made my parents nervous. It was during the time, I had their old Passat Variant on eBay. It was sure, that that car would go to the export (finally to Russia), so I said to them: "Hey, perhaps your Passat will provoke headlines after terrorists have used them. And you will coming into jail or to Guantanamo, because you were the last official registrated owners"
They couldn't really lough about that idea. :lol:


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2007-12-09 19:02
badlymad CAAnother popular source for cars apparently is stolen vehicles from America, particularly SUVs- I recall reading a news report about how American soldiers found a Texas registered Chevy Suburban being prepared for a suicide bombing mission in Falluja. 2007-12-09 18:42
antp BEAnd in some countries they cut cars in half to import them as spare parts (to prevent the high taxes), but later they simply paste the two half together :D 2007-12-09 18:35
Ingo DE@Gag: by ship. I've seen a TV-reportage about a guy in Hamburg, an Iraqui, who makes a lot of money with this export. He owns a big transporter-ship, big as the ships, where car-companies are transporting their cars to overseas-countries.
He said "My ship was the first civil ship, which has reached Basra after the declaration of the end of the war, just two days later."
Once my father has seen on the river Elbe a former container-ship leaving Hamburg. On deck was mounted a huge metal-frame, where hundreds of junk-cars were stored in, similar like chocolade-bars in a supermarket.

You could see, that the dealer treats his workers as a slave-master. They are loading the ship in hard piecework, it's counted on minutes. If they don't load perfectly and waste a few square-meters, they will be punished. The cars were more smashed into the ship, than driven. If one car doesn't run, they push it inside with annother one.

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2007-12-09 18:30
antp BEAs I probably said somewhere else, in Cameroon the most common car is rather the Toyota Corolla & Carina (those of the late 80s / early 90s), no wonder why these nearly disappeared from Europe.

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2007-12-09 18:09
Tönz DE
garco wrote Mercedes C-Klasse [w201] on the left?

You surely mean W202, I'd agree.
2007-12-09 18:05
Gag Halfrunt UKAnd Iraq has been flooded with secondhand Opels since 2003. I wonder if they're transported by sea or by land. 2007-12-09 14:31
Ingo DETrucks, going into the other direction, also loaded with used cars (mostly more broken, mostly Mercedes, Peugeot and all kind of Japanese cars) have a different destination: Rotterdam, Hamburg or Bremerhaven. These cars were brought to Africa. 2007-12-09 14:11
Ingo DEYes, surely. You can see hundreds of trucks every day, going on the Autobahn eastwards, loaded with used cars from Germany, also from Holland, Belgium and France. They bring them to the Baltic states, from there they smuggle them into Russia. A direct import to Russia is officially to expensive.
Some months ago my father's 1990 Passat Variant GT made that way, too.
2007-12-09 14:09
walter ITYes! 1998 Audi S4 Avant B5 2007-12-09 11:15
walter IT1995 2007-12-09 11:12
ProwlerX USThank you! 2007-12-09 04:53
Gag Halfrunt UK
Ingo wrote @Gag: thanks for the links.

Shall we make a quiz or a ranking about the approximate mileage of all three cars together? :D

:)

And all the cars in Kaliningrad have come secondhand from Germany...
/movie_777240-Eine-Liebe-in-Konigsberg.html
2007-12-09 00:59
Ingo DE@Gag: thanks for the links.

Shall we make a quiz or a ranking about the approximate mileage of all three cars together? :D
2007-12-09 00:48
Gag Halfrunt UK
Ingo wrote And the problem is, to find a good one. They are gone now, nearly totally gone. Not to the scrap-yard, they're gone to the export.


We have some evidence of that in the database. :)

/vehicle_63818-Mercedes-Benz-W123-1976.html
/vehicle_40432-Mercedes-Benz-W123-1981.html
/vehicle_10456-Mercedes-Benz-230-E-W123-1982.html
2007-12-09 00:35
Ingo DEI would say Citroen Jumper, too. 2007-12-08 23:45
Ingo DEIn 1993 I made a short trip from Corfu/Greece to Sarande in Albania. The (small, dirty and ugly) harbour of Sarande was full with W 123 with German export-plates.

In 1997 I've been in Israel and Jordan. The W 123 was the second popular car in Jordan and the Palaestinian-area - the second after the W 114/115. Old BMW-5-Series and Opel Rekord/Commodore you could also see - much more of all of them than in Germany.

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2007-12-08 23:42
rpcm PTThe Diesel versions are, indeed, able to "burn" almost everything and, although slow, a 240TD is the most reliable and economical option. 2007-12-08 23:41
Ingo DE
rpcm wrote Prices are rising for the really good ones...


And the problem is, to find a good one. They are gone now, nearly totally gone. Not to the scrap-yard, they're gone to the export. It's really hard for the W 123-freaks to hold against the popularity of the W 123 in Africa and Arabian countries.


@rpcm: it's easier to find a W 123 Coupe than a Sedan or a T-model.

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2007-12-08 23:38
Ingo DEIn Germany sometimes you hear the name "Fritten-Benz" for that car. "Fritten" is a slang-word for "Pommes frites" (french fried in America).
This nick-name is caused by that: http://www.mccain.at/Pages/Default.aspx

2007-12-08 23:36
rpcm PTPrices are rising for the really good ones... 2007-12-08 23:32
antp BEMe too. And I really like when they have hubcaps assorted to body color :) like /vehicle_27582-Mercedes-Benz-W123.html

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2007-12-08 23:22
rpcm PTIt's a [G]. 2007-12-08 23:14
rpcm PT2001+ MkIII

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2007-12-08 23:12
rpcm PT1993+ 2007-12-08 23:06

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