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Gamer DEPart of the Colors (yes, spelt the American English way!) special edition, the name of the color being 'verde esmeralda'. The brochure is from September 1991 so I'd say 1992 MY, all the more as the brochure features Seat as the official sponsor of the 1992 summer olympics. 2023-03-28 21:29
AleX_DJ ATC trim (half paitned bumper and no side mouldings) 2023-03-28 20:37
AleX_DJ AT1993-94 2023-03-28 20:36
AleX_DJ AT1994-95 for the Bellevue 2023-03-28 20:36
AleX_DJ AT1991-92 Green 2023-03-28 20:35
AleX_DJ ATMade for D 2023-03-28 20:34
AleX_DJ ATComfortline 2023-03-28 20:34
AleX_DJ ATClassic 2023-03-28 20:32
AleX_DJ ATL trim 2023-03-28 20:32
andrepa DE[Image: screenshot_2019-10-28berlinberlinstaffel1folge6ichwillsandrabullockmassieren-youtube.jpg] [Image: screenshot_2019-10-28berlinberlinstaffel1folge6ichwillsandrabullockmassieren-youtube1.jpg] 220 SE 2019-10-28 14:13
Truck_Guy US[Image: screenshot5328.jpg] 2019-08-04 01:57
Truck_Guy US1.08
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2019-05-03 03:20
ingo DE
the sad biker wrote Isn't that usually the way with "green" initiatives? All they do is move the point of pollution from one place to another.

No, it's even worse: several "green" initiatives are even worse for the environment than the conventional way to handle that topic.
2019-03-18 16:12
the sad biker UK
ingo wrote
Problem 4: the production of that "bio" or "organic" fuel is extremely pollutive for the environment, as destroying nature reserves
Problem 5: the field, were "bio" fuel is growing, cannot be used for food production


Isn't that usually the way with "green" initiatives? All they do is move the point of pollution from one place to another.
2019-03-18 15:48
ingo DE
the sad biker wrote Modern E5 & E10 unleaded is appalling stuff.
...

Problem 4: the production of that "bio" or "organic" fuel is extremely pollutive for the environment, as destroying nature reserves
Problem 5: the field, were "bio" fuel is growing, cannot be used for food production

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2019-03-18 10:17
johnfromstaffs EN
tore-40 wrote Interesting. When did they start polluting the petrol, in your opinion?


There is a lot of discussion about this in Hemmings. Apparently the powerful farming lobbies in USA have persuaded their government to insist that ethanol made from a maize type plant is inserted in increasing proportions into pump fuels. It is apparently still possible to buy ethanol free petrol but only from relatively few outlets and at a price, the boys in this blog get quite exercised about the effect on their old cars and bikes. If you go back far enough, there will not be such difficulty, buy a Model A Ford or a Chevrolet stovebolt six!

https://www.hemmings.com/search-content/?q=Ethanol

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2019-03-18 08:57
the sad biker UKModern E5 & E10 unleaded is appalling stuff.

It has a shelf life of about 2 months, after that it starts to evaporate and leaves a resin that no amount of solvent carb cleaner will shift, only ultrasonics will move it, most bikers now know to drain the carbs if parking up for more than a couple of weeks.

Problem 2. It rots plastic, glassfibre and most rubber compounds (EPDM is safe, for the moment) so lots of classic bikes are having problems.

Problem 3, It's hygroscopic so your steel fuel tank is now rusting from the inside out, especially problematic if your fuel tap isn't the lowest point of your tank.

The shit you're paying over a fiver a gallon for isn't petrol!
2019-03-18 00:14
tore-40 NOInteresting. When did they start polluting the petrol, in your opinion? 2019-03-18 00:03
johnfromstaffs ENThe American contributors to another blog I see all complain about ethanol added to the fuel there, and its effect upon rubber in the fuel systems, even in kit like chainsaws and generators. 2019-03-17 23:54
tore-40 NO@ingo, that was a aged 1981 CX 2.0 with what is often called a Douvrin or PSA engine, not much iron there. (25 years ago - OMG) I seem to remember they were approved for unleaded from around the time when the Series 2 arrived. In retrospect, I think they would run fine on unleaded anyway, but we were recommended adding lead substitutes

@130rapid, this was about 1995, I used to suspect my lead replacement additives were to blame, there were no eco-friendly additives mixed in by then like E5 of today?
2019-03-17 23:09
atom SEAll aluminium heads have hardened valve seats so there wont be any issues with unleaded fuel.

A friend of mine have a Volvo 142 with the B20 engine with cast iron head. He thought it was unnecessary to use lead substitute in the gas. After some years the car would run worse and worse until it wouldn't start at all. He lifted the head and the valves had eaten away the material where the valve seat used to be!
2019-03-17 22:53
130rapid PLtore-40, your troubles with rubber elements in fuel system may ignited because of m/ethanol additives for modern petrols, always over 5% today. 2019-03-17 22:44
Mystery Man DE1992 N 4014 NF
http://www.ig-ikarus-200.de/BR/LDS/LDS-FC%2025.jpg
2019-03-17 22:35
ingo DE@tore-40: with what car?
The K 70 (iron block, aluminium head) and all NSU-cars (alumnium engine) can have unleaded fuel without any changes. There were some NSU-owners, who changed the valve seats, but this is not neccessary.
Of course there are also morons, who say "When you use unleaded fuel, your engine will burst immediately!" but this is bullshit. All blokes, who said that to me, hadn't used their classic car in unleaded times at all, so no own experience. I drove all my K 70 and the NSU 1200 C for hundreds of thousands kilometers always with unleaded fuel without any fuel-caused problems.
The only lead-fuel my cars every had, were a few liters from the tanks of cars, we had wrecked.

The only fuel-caused problem, I remember, I had with my dad's 1981 VW Passat (75 hp, 1,6 liter), when I filled DDR-fuel (the sludge for DDR-Mark for locals, not the Intertank-stuff for D-Mark for Westerners) in it. The engine ran as "a bag of nuts", as we say in German. It became immediately better, when it got filled up on the first gas station on the other side of the Iron Curtain.



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2019-03-17 22:31
tore-40 NOYes, the valve seats were made from tempered steel. So probably running OK on unleaded anyway. In 1985-86 they gained even harder seats.

A different issue was the deterioration of rubber (gaskets, hoses, even fuel pump). I had to remove my fuel jets and clean the interior of the carburetor quite often, even after adding a filter and replacing the fuel line with an updated rubber type made for unleaded.
2019-03-17 22:03
ingo DEplate from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahme-Spreewald
so not the Berlin-colour sheme
2019-03-17 21:43
ingo DEand far left a Renault Espace.
Scene from East-Berlin, because of the tram.
2019-03-17 21:41
ingo DESeat Arosa behind 2019-03-17 21:41
Mystery Man DE1997-03 W638 2019-03-17 21:28
ingo DE
Crockett wrote The old red one we see in the backgound could be a Volkswagen Santana (or Passat) im not sure.

Passat Stufenheck, because 1985+
2019-03-17 21:28
johnfromstaffs EN
ingo wrote
Aren't engine and/or cylinderhead of the 2CV from aluminium? If the valve seat rings are from aluminium, any engine can run with unleaded fuel.


Aluminium is a soft material and needs hardened inserts to make the valve seat.

Link to "www.hthoward.co.uk"
2019-03-17 21:28
ingo DEFrom the BSR, the Berliner Stadtreinigung.
Some years ago they made the feuilleton-imps mad
Link to "www.welt.de" :lol:
with funny "Denglisch" advertises and slogans, also on their vehicles, for example with the most known "We kehr for you" (kehren = sweep)
2019-03-17 21:27
ingo DEany shot of the plate? Then we can check, if made for D or made for DDR.
I'd go for made for D, as this secenery looks West-Berlin-ish and the Lada seems to have alloys, which weren't available in the Ostzone.
2019-03-17 21:21
ingo DElate W124 2019-03-17 21:18
ingo DEW111 2019-03-17 21:18
ingo DE
Gamer wrote Sausss edition, one of two special editions released in 1985, running on unleaded fuel. The other was the I fly bleifrei.

Aren't engine and/or cylinderhead of the 2CV from aluminium? If the valve seat rings are from aluminium, any engine can run with unleaded fuel.
2019-03-17 21:17
Gamer DESausss edition, one of two special editions released in 1985, running on unleaded fuel. The other was the I fly bleifrei. 2019-03-17 21:07
Mystery Man DEManta GSI B

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2019-03-17 20:58
Mystery Man DE1997-00 2019-03-17 20:58
gabrimium FRPassat Variant 2019-03-17 20:46
gabrimium FRVito 2019-03-17 20:46
Purzel89 DEBus 3543 is a 1986 model year. 2015-06-26 03:13
peto1995 SKI think it might be 1988, because 2027 and 2029 are made in year 1988, but I didn't find 2028. 2013-12-26 21:52
S 415 GT DEThe 1992-1995 Sedan was called Bellevue in Germany 2013-04-27 18:43
ingo DEYes, the basis was a Transporter, as the side window was cutted later on. The original Camper were based on the Bus, Caravelle or Multivan, so always with side windows.
Roof and interior may be made by Westfalia, but not necessarily. This stuff was offered by other companies, too. Usually for lower prices, as original Westfalia-stuff was always expensive.
Recently there was an article in my classic car magazine about a guy, who had restored a "faked" Westfalia Helsinki, a late 70ies T2b. He said, that he bought this nearly close copy as new, because it was much cheaper than the original. The quality was a bit lower, but he saved a lot of money anyways.
2012-06-05 11:33
blue_thunder ATI'm pretty sure it's not a California, cause it has round headlamps. California came for '89 MY.
It's more like a standard Transporter with a converted highroof made by "Polyroof" and interiour fittings might be made by Westfalia.

http://www.polyroof.de/typo/index.php?id=75&tx_wtgallery_pi1[show]=123448124&cHash=26d1bc44af9315a064423894f91a085d

http://www.biniwersi.de/images/bulli/elliott.jpg

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2012-06-05 10:46
Lateef NO1981-86. 2011-05-03 10:13
m.pfaffeneder DE1999+ 2011-04-26 16:54
Weasel1984 PL1995 2010-10-14 21:02
Crockett CHThe red one in front of the Golf is a Peugeot 106. Behind the Beycicles we see an Audi 80 (1987-1994).

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2010-07-22 22:55

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