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Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	No better views available: (00:02:59 // 00:03:00) The way the roof "ends" on the trunk makes me think about a 1953+ Ford Vedette. But what looks to be a vertical grille in the first thumb doesn't fit, then (although it doesn't seem that vertical in the second). I don't see any large French car that would fit that shape: the Hotchkiss Anjou was clearly different, for example... If I'm not mistaken, there were in fact no new large or luxury cars made in France just after WWII, due to the Pons plan (fr). Except scarce models of Delahaye or Delage (or even more scarce Bugatti), all with coachbuilders bodies. But the one of this car looks too "standard" to be one of them, I think.	2016-02-27 05:58
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	dsl	50sParis a écrit I think a Bentley or RR left of the bus Looks interesting, whatever it is. My guess is something French or maybe German - any ideas??	2016-02-25 14:38
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	50sParis	Nice work Elmer, an important short indeed ** bus I think a Bentley or RR left of the bus	2016-02-25 02:55
1937 Hanomag Rekord Cabriolet 2 Fenster [Typ 15 K] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	Thanks for these details.	2015-03-30 02:35
1937 Hanomag Rekord Cabriolet 2 Fenster [Typ 15 K] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DynaMike	According to my info from encyclopaedic book "Deutsche Autos 1920-1945 - eine Typengeschichte" by Werner Oswal (Motorbuchverlag Stuttgart, 1981) the Hanomag Rekord was introduced in February 1934 and built until 1938 (1940 for the diesel version). 1934-36 the body was quite angular, whereas the later models had a more streamlined body as does the one in this picture. Btw, the chassis code is [Typ 15 K].	2015-03-29 00:44
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	sixcyl	Thanks Mike	2015-03-28 22:26
1951 Oldsmobile 98 Afrique sur Seine (1955)	Commander 57	Only the '51's used that distinctive side trim.	2015-03-27 13:50
1937 Hanomag Rekord Cabriolet 2 Fenster [Typ 15 K] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	@ DynaMike: Finely observed! I wasn't sure about the Rosengart, due to the non fitting shape of the trunk and of the fenders. But I have 2 MYs from 2 other sources. Which one could be the good one: 1934-38 (not so reliable, I think) or 1937-38, as you already said? 2 other convertibles are also identified as 1934 models, in the IMCDb (which doesn't mean it's not an error ) -- Last edit: 2015-03-27 06:56:43	2015-03-27 06:50
1951 Citroën 2CV A 'Malle bombée' Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	DynaMike a écrit I'm pretty sure this malle bombée is by the make Record. Make your choice (fr)	2015-03-27 06:31
1951 Oldsmobile 98 Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	Buc84 a écrit 1950-51 Oldsmobile 98 -- Last edit: 2015-03-27 06:24:35	2015-03-27 06:24
1954 Salmson 2300 Sport Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	sixcyl a écrit No, it's a Samson 2300 Sport , model 1954 . It Worth its own page	2015-03-27 06:13
1954 Salmson 2300 Sport Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR		2015-03-27 06:12
1937 Hanomag Rekord Cabriolet 2 Fenster [Typ 15 K] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DynaMike	I think this is rather a 1937/38 Hanomag Rekord, not a Rosengart... Link to "fotoshop.my-xxlpix.net" http://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/H/Hanomag%201936%20Rekord%20Typ%2015K.jpg	2015-03-22 22:57
1951 Citroën 2CV A 'Malle bombée' Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DynaMike	I'm pretty sure this malle bombée is by the make Record.	2015-03-22 21:17
1947 Studebaker Champion Afrique sur Seine (1955)	Commander 57	Champion (Deluxe) and from either the '47 or '48 model year. Listing OK as 1947 both because it's the first possible year and because the hood ornament doesn't appear to have a ring around the front, although admittedly it's hard to tell for certain. The 1948 version had the ring added. (The chrome front fender ornaments were optional both years.)	2015-03-22 17:08
1947 Studebaker Champion Afrique sur Seine (1955)	sixcyl		2015-03-22 16:42
1954 Citroën 15 Six D 'Traction' Afrique sur Seine (1955)	sixcyl	Not sure it's really a 15, because it should have the logo 156cyl on the right wing for a model 1953-54, and just above the plate number light, but much bigger than what we see. Therefore I guess it's a simple 11B with aftermarket bumpers and rims from a 15 Six.	2015-03-22 12:22
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DynaMike	Concerning the 2CV codes: I think that aoart apart from the A (and AZLP?) all codes were used in brochures and ads.	2015-03-22 12:21
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	sixcyl	eLMeR a écrit 1953? Ford Comète (apparently without the hood scoop, so not a Monte-Carlo) (00:04:53 // 00:04:53 - ) No, it's a Samson 2300 Sport , model 1954 . It Worth its own page	2015-03-22 12:03
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DynaMike	Ha, there's Sixcyl already	2015-03-22 11:58
1938 Peugeot 202 Afrique sur Seine (1955)	sixcyl	And the stylized chromed lion on the rear wheel cap.	2015-03-22 11:58
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DynaMike	I totally agree. I think we'd reopen the discussion with Sixcyl and Antp... The Dyna X are often only referred to as X and not X84-X87 because these different codes only reflect different engines and these differences are not visible at the exterior of the car.	2015-03-22 11:57
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	sixcyl	The rule on IMCDB is to fit with the exact commercial name given to the vehicles when they were in production, not to match with the friendly used name, or somewhat "known as" name, for the "grand public" as for the specialists.... That's why, Citroen Traction are named 7, 11B, 11BL or 15 and Traction as nickname Dyna 54,55,56,57... and not Z Mercedes 220, 220S, 220SE and not W111 That's also why we did this Chassis code field. Good new! it's also a more scientific way of classification! I must admit just a point, in the case of Citroën 2CV. I think all names A, AZ, AZL, AZLP, AZU, AZAM ...etc perhaps might be in the chassis code field?	2015-03-22 11:53
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	DidierF a écrit (And your pics would gain if you gave something like a 107% increase in height.) All main pictures converted from 719x454 to 719x488. They seem indeed to look better, now. I won't do it for the pictures in the comments, as I'm lazy and I don't want antp to ban me for picture spamming -- Last edit: 2015-03-22 01:53:42	2015-03-22 01:52
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	About the Tout alu / Tout acier change, I don't question the date you gave: I just explained why, with what I knew when preparing the page, I thought this car could have been a Tout acier Back to the Dyna name: as said just before, the idea for me is to know for whom we identify the vehicles: if we just "play" among (more or less) specialists used to the IMCDb habits, then there's no trouble about it. But I don't see the use of a site that just exists from and for its contributors. In my mind, Dyna Z would not be not an incorrect identification, it would just be an entry point that could allow to show to curious people that there were several models in this car line (Z1 to Z18). But I think we can't expect "simple visitors" to remember any model name with the current identifications, as most people usually run away as quickly as possible when numbers are at stake And even if I like accuracy, a 1954 Dyna 54 or a 1957 Dyna 57 sounds really too much repetitive to my ears. One of the 2 model year should not be given, as it seems so obvious to have one when having the other (Talking about accuracy: what about the X84 to X87 codes of the Dyna X? Is it a choice not to use them in the IMCDb?)	2015-03-21 22:45
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	DidierF a écrit (And your pics would gain if you gave something like a 107% increase in height.) eLMeR a écrit Repetitive humor, or you're trying a new mantra ? Pardon ? I beg your pardon? Ni l'un ni l'autre. J'ai juste copié une de tes photos et cherché à savoir comment rétablir les bonnes proportions et par approximations successives, je suis arrivé à 107% d'augmentation de la hauteur. Mais bon. Je prends note.	2015-03-21 22:04
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	Thanks, Buc84! DidierF a écrit Your Duno 1, I would have take it for an Aronde. Bondieumécébiensûr ! The extra trim mislead me: I thought about a US or a European luxury car, yet I found it really to small to be one... DidierF a écrit Duno 2, Rosengart as you said, yes. Despite the non fitting shape of the trunk? DidierF a écrit Duno 3 & 4, Renault Taxi G7 [KZ11]. Thanks, yet the Vivaquatre name would sound less IMCDb geek The grille of the Duno 3 seems a bit different, but it could be due to the wrong ratio. Cars of that era are somewhat hard to identify, sometimes DidierF a écrit Duno 6 is a taxi Renault [KZ23]. Thanks for this other Vivaquatre (a 1935 model only? As far as I understood, that's apparently what means the KZ23 code) DidierF a écrit The busses seem all to be Renaults TN6A. Worth a page? DidierF a écrit (And your pics would gain if you gave something like a 107% increase in height.) Repetitive humor, or you're trying a new mantra ? -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 21:35:27	2015-03-21 21:32
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	Buc84	eLMeR a écrit The 50s wouldn't be the 50s without any US cars US Duno 1 1950/51 Buick (00:08:32 - ) US Duno 2 1950-51 Oldsmobile 98 (00:11:18 - ) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 21:26:13 (eLMeR)	2015-03-21 21:01
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	@ Commander 57 Thanks for the details. As rjluna2 would say, for my reference. But I'm a computer geek, so I'll use a tag to find it more easily later #refeL -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 20:40:49	2015-03-21 20:33
1952 Simca 9 Aronde Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	@ electra225: that's what I said??? What's the use to repeat it?	2015-03-21 20:26
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	DidierF a écrit Dommage que cette partie ne soit pas sourcée sur https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulin_Soumanou_Vieyra — I would have been eager to know the source of this information. And hear what Jean Rouch would have said of it. The source is given in the WP page of Paris sur Seine, with a link to an interview with Julien Farenc (1), who says exactly: Le premier film réalisé par des africains est Afrique sur Seine (1955), tourné à Paris, faute d'autorisation de tournage au Sénégal ! This can be read at the end of the first third of the article. Do you accept it as a valid source? I'm sure that Jean Rouch would have understood (which doesn't mean accept) that it was certainly more easy, in 1955, beginning of the decolonization, to obtain authorization for making movies in Africa when being a 38 years old white French anthropologist than when being young black African students (with at least one of them known for his leftist opinions) wondering about their place in the French society... _____ 1: chargé de collections au département de l'Audiovisuel de la BNF / responsible of the audiovisual collections of the National Library of France. More info about him here (fr). -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 20:03:51	2015-03-21 20:01
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DynaMike	I agree with you, eLMeR. Dyna Z (and Dyna X) would be easier and user friendly. On the other hand: we try to be as exact as possible in giving the correct names. On a Dyna Z (the car itself) the only name to be found is Panhard, Dyna isn't mentioned, not even om de 'plaque d'identification'. (Well, on my late 57 Grand Standing the name Dyna is stanced in the aluminum stone guards.) So we'll have to rely on the name used in brochures and ads. We've had the same discussion on this matter before; I thought the name Dyna Z would be better but I accepted the reasons why Dyna 54 etc. is used... I found the facts about the date in several books by Bernard Vermeylen, who is regarded as the historien par excellence in the Panhard community. He did thourough investigations in the Panhard archives (now in the Mulhouse car museum) and many other archives. He wrote (together with Yann Le Lay) "Panhard Dyna Z & PL17; Historique - Identification - Evolution, Restauration - Entretien - Conduite", "Panhard & Levassor - entre Tradition et Modernité", and a numéro spécial of Flat-Twin (the Belgian Panhard club magazine): "La Dyna Z1 a 60 ans", and many other books and articles about Panhard. According to these books the mixed structure (steel body frame with aluminum mobile parts) was introduced mid-September 1955, and the all steel version came 10 September 1956. These facts match with the Dyna Z's I ahd the honour to meet in real.	2015-03-21 17:39
1952 Simca 9 Aronde Afrique sur Seine (1955)	electra225	a '52-'53 in the main picture and a '54-'55 on the thumbnail.	2015-03-21 17:10
1936 Renault TN4HBar Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DynaMike	Ah, merci	2015-03-21 16:59
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	Commander 57	eLMeR, the Studebaker is indeed a Champion (Deluxe) and from either the '47 or '48 model year. I would list as 1947 both because it's the first possible year and because the hood ornament doesn't appear to have a ring around the front, although admittedly it's hard to tell for certain. The 1948 version had the ring added. (The chrome front fender ornaments were optional both years so that does not help with m.y. ID.)	2015-03-21 13:42
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	eLMeR a écrit @ DidierF Si tu parles de leur qualité, c'est la seule version du film que j'aie pu trouver, alors il faudra faire avec : je n'ai aucune envie de retravailler tout ça avec Gimp (ou tout autre logiciel). Si tu pensais au choix desdites images, je dirai que "dégoûts et des douleurs..." (I'm aware that the pictures are not really good, but I didn't find a better copy of that movie) (I hadn't read this, sorry. No, I find the pics very fine, though captured out of an un-restaured copy. Actually I was just talking of format/ratio. They are slighlty squeezed.)	2015-03-21 06:51
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	Citation The movie was shot in Paris because the French colonial administration didn't allow the directors to make a film on their continent. Dommage que cette partie ne soit pas sourcée sur https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paulin_Soumanou_Vieyra — I would have been eager to know the source of this information. And hear what Jean Rouch would have said of it. -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 06:52:06	2015-03-21 06:47
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	Your Duno 1, I would have take it for an Aronde. Duno 2, Rosengart as you said, yes. Duno 3 & 4, Renault Taxi G7 [KZ11]. Duno 5, I woud bet more on a camionnette Renault than a Citroën. Duno 6 is a taxi Renault [KZ23]. Duno 7 and duno truck, I duno. The busses seem all to be Renaults TN6A. (And your pics would gain if you gave something like a 107% increase in height.)	2015-03-21 06:28
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	Some other cars I didn't manage to identify: Duno 1: (00:03:37 - ) Duno 2, the convertible in the background: a Rosengart SuperTraction LR 500? The trunk doesn't seem to fit... (00:03:38 - ) Duno 3: a Renault taxi? (00:03:45 - ) Duno 4: (00:04:13 - ) Duno 5 (00:04:56 - ) Duno 6 (the big sedan just behind the scooter): (00:10:46 - ) Duno 7: some Citroën? (00:15:14 - ) Duno truck. Not the Dodge D15, the cattle truck: (00:09:06 - ) Buses from that era, for which I have no idea what they could be: (00:04:23 // 00:04:26 - ) (00:13:30 - - The same as the one just above?) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 21:31:09	2015-03-21 05:59
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	The 50s wouldn't be the 50s without any US cars US Duno 1 (00:08:32 - ) US Duno 2 (00:11:18 - ) A 1947-52 Studebaker Champion. The chrome bar in front of the front fender is certainly a clue to have a more precise model year? (00:12:48 - )	2015-03-21 05:52
1938 Peugeot 202 Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	1938 MY, due to the wheel rims? (00:03:33)	2015-03-21 05:45
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	Of course, the streets show a lot of background cars which are not worth their own page. But I found interesting to see all these vehicles that have become so scarce... (00:07:41 - - Citroën Traction, 2CV and Type H : U23 & U45 trucks are missing to have the whole vehicule line of Citroën of that era...) (00:07:54 - - 1950-56 Renauklt 4CV "Découvrable". 9500 cars were made with this body) (00:12:59 - - "Extra trunks" for 2CV were proposed by a lot of car accessories sellers -fr) Among lot of models of Citroën 2CV and derivatives, pre- and post-war Citroën Traction, Citroën type H / HZ, Peugeot 203, Renault 4CV and Renault Juvaquatre Camionnette (1939-43) or Fourgonnette (1946+), some other more or less common vehicles, in 1955: (1950-51?) Simca 8 Coupé: (00:04:05 - ) 1952-56 Moris Minor? (00:04:50 - ) 1953? Ford Comète (apparently without the hood scoop, so not a Monte-Carlo) (00:04:53 // 00:04:53 - ) Ford Vedette: (00:07:40 - - 1949+ model // 00:10:04 - - 1953-54 model) 1948-53 Panhard Dyna X (with 1950+ grille), also known as Louis XV or le Crapaud (the Toad): (00:08:35 - ) The only VW Coccinnelle / Beetle / Käfer / etc. appearing in the movie (with another Morris Minor?), but no doubt, it has been shot in Paris : (00:09:03 - ) (Damaged?) 1952+ Renault Frégate: (00:09:12 - ) 1951+ Renault Coloral Prairie (or a rare Colorale Taxi?) (00:10:37 - ) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 05:36:06	2015-03-21 05:30
ACMA Vespa Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	I worked once in one of these houses : the kitchen was almost bigger than my own apartment (which was not a small one) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 02:55:59	2015-03-21 02:54
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	@ DidierF Si tu parles de leur qualité, c'est la seule version du film que j'aie pu trouver, alors il faudra faire avec : je n'ai aucune envie de retravailler tout ça avec Gimp (ou tout autre logiciel). Si tu pensais au choix desdites images, je dirai que "dégoûts et des douleurs..." (I'm aware that the pictures are not really good, but I didn't find a better copy of that movie) -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 03:00:48	2015-03-21 02:51
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	eLMeR	@ DynaMike I think that the model year (Dyna 54, 55, etc) shouldn't be given as part of the name. In addition to sounding like stuttering, it looks more to have been a kind of advertising gimmick for the cover of the brochures, as the inner mentions of the car are just Dyna... More over, this car is mostly known as Dyna Z (just search for Panhard Dyna 1955 with your preferred search engine), but it (almost) can't be found with that name in the IMCDb, unless knowing how to "play" with the special fields of the search page. I find it really disturbing, and I just wonder how someone not aware of the IMCDb habit (i.e. most of the visitors of the site) could find these cars. Wouldn't be a generic Dyna Z name (with the accurate Z1 to Z18 chassis code) precise enough and more "user friendly" at the same time? About the "Tout alu" models, this page (fr) gives Spring 1955 for appearance of the steel body, and I read it in at least another page (but didn't keep the link) while "preparing" the page for this Dyna. As I didn't find any other precise source (most of pages say just "1955") I found that an "all steel" model was a possible option for a Dyna in a 1955 movie -- Last edit: 2015-03-21 02:44:24	2015-03-21 02:40
Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	(Je crois bien qu'elles sont un peu "plates", tes photos.)	2015-03-21 02:19
ACMA Vespa Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	Île Saint-Louis… But apart this, it looks like a Piaggio Vespa or a French ACMA Vespa.	2015-03-21 01:56
1955 VéloSoleX 660 Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	Je pense que vu la loupiote, c'est un 660 tout neuf.	2015-03-21 01:53
1955 Panhard Dyna 55 Luxe Spécial [Z1] Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	Ouahouh !	2015-03-21 01:41
1936 Renault TN4HBar Afrique sur Seine (1955)	DidierF	We call those Banlieue with axial rear door "TN4HB" here.	2015-03-21 01:40

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