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Kagamihara Nadeshiko JPWhich Year? 2022-03-06 05:43
Mystery Man DEWiki says it was built in Slovakia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_Q8 2018-06-09 16:17
AleX_DJ AT@dsl: VW and Skoda still focus on simple shapes, as like does Seat (differently than some years ago) but also Kia and somehow Peugeot. It's all a matter of tastes obviously, personally I prefer more original shapes, which as you said are easier to be found nowadays, but there are still some makes targetting more traditional customers.

The problem of plugging every little niche is to me more of premium brands than of the other ones: better said, the trend of standard brands seems to be the opposite, I mean that many are leaving the classic car types in order to totally focus on what once was considered a 'niche' (SUVs and crossovers). Think for instance to Fiat, which is just stopping the production of the Punto without a replacement, at least in Europe: 10 years ago it would have been unconceivable. This trend began in early 2000s when most European standard brands began to discontinue their E-segment saloons (eg. Ford Scorpio and Opel Omega), then also many D-segment models disappeared without replacement (Fiat Croma, Nissan Primera...), nowadays there are brands renouncing even to C and B-segment cars not being a crossover or SUV. Not to talk about sport cars: think at how many coupes and convertibiles disappeared from the market without a replacement... the most striking example: Mitsubishi revived the name of a sports car (Eclipse) for a compact crossover!
2018-06-08 00:26
dsl SXI'm neutral on Jags - not particularly better or worse for me than 10 years ago. Some very slab-sided models with too-shallow side windows, so not very attractive. But much less distracting clutter than other makes. 2018-06-07 23:14
Exiv96 BE
dsl wrote
So a challenge - name any car makers whose products are more attractively styled than 10 years ago. I run out of steam after Seat, Volvo and maybe Peugeot.


Uhhhhmmmm... I'd say Jaguar. XF excepted, they look rather svelte and eye-pleasing these days.
2018-06-07 22:49
johnfromstaffs EN
the sad biker wrote

One can only assume that public focus groups are held in Essex.



Well, they certainly aren’t held in Fegg Hayes, Stowe by Chartley or Barton under Needwood.
2018-06-07 20:18
the sad biker UK
johnfromstaffs wrote I asked why the C-class was not available in U.K. with a more traditional barred grille and a three pointed star on the bonnet, since I prefer that look. I was told that we Brits don’t like it that way, we prefer the “in yer face” face.

Nobody asked me.


Mercedes used to build very restrained but elegant 3 box saloons, what went wrong?

One can only assume that public focus groups are held in Essex.



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2018-06-07 16:46
johnfromstaffs ENI asked why the C-class was not available in U.K. with a more traditional barred grille and a three pointed star on the bonnet, since I prefer that look. I was told that we Brits don’t like it that way, we prefer the “in yer face” face.

Nobody asked me.
2018-06-07 14:17
JCB UKI,m with you DSL , particularly crossovers / small 4x4s all look like the same jellymould blobs.

Grumpy old man syndrome !

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2018-06-07 09:55
dsl SX@AleX_DJ - none of your nominations work for me as better than equivalents of 10 years ago. Almost nobody's building anything with decent proportions today or simple shapes which are easy on the eye. Instead, things have to be aggressive or exaggerated, so incongruent slashes and flourishes everywhere to demand attention. Everything needs big in-your-face wheels, side windows become horrible little slits, logos and badges are over-emphasised, stupid spoilers and fake vents sprout everywhere, lights have to be strange shapes instead of recognisable, and nothing fits alongside anything else. Ford's New Edge styling and Bangle's vandalism at BMW started this off and it's been downhill ever since.

Another problem is everyone trying to plug every little niche, particularly with futile cross-overs, each of which has to be made to look different from its siblings to justify its existence, but there's not enough creativity to carry it off. So I can't be bothered any more to keep track of un-necessarily complicated trivially different Mercs, BMWs, Audis, VWs and so on because they're not worth the effort.

The Japanese are truly awful at the moment, desperately flinging every bit of ugliness they can - Honda have lost the plot completely (Civic Type R for instance) and Toyota/Lexus are just as bad (CH-R, Prius, Lexus etc). Every so often there's a magazine article interviewing a new CEO somewhere who says "We're not afraid to polarise opinion" which is actually management spin for "My styling department is a talentless black hole and incapable of producing anything original or elegant, so I'm having to pretend we have a design philosophy. You gullible journalists fall for this shit every time, so I can keep getting away with it". No-one's prepared to call out crap styling any more.

Now it's time for my cocoa and pills again.
2018-06-07 02:44
max1349 CA4900sb (set back axle) 2018-06-06 19:55
johnfromstaffs ENPlus ça change.......

Austins from the thirties, from the Counties era, from the later fifties and the early sixties, Rovers P2 P3 and P4, try telling the earlier six cylinder cars apart, try telling any P4 from another apart from the facelifts, Wolseleys, try to work out which is which apart from four pot or six pot. All car makers want is your cash, not your artistic approval.
2018-06-06 11:25
AleX_DJ AT@dsl: I believe the problem is that in particular for premium brands the models all look the same (just ask someone having an average knowledge of cars if he's able to distinguish a BMW 3er from a 5er, an Audi A3 Sedan from an A4 or a Mercedes CLA from a CLS if not by the size). Seems that standard brands do more efforts to differentiate their models and give them some personality: just look at the new Citroen C3, the Hyundai Kona, the new Nissan Micra, but also larger models as like the new Peugeot 508, the Renault Scenic, the Toyota CH-R, the Peugeot 3008/5008 and so on.

This new Audi Q8 seems to me somehow different than the rest of the Audi range, at least for now, because it's very probable that most of its styling elements will be applied to other upcoming models
2018-06-06 09:22
AleX_DJ ATFor me (just my personal opinion and taste):
Citroen, Renault/Dacia, Nissan, Toyota, VW, Honda, Opel, Lada, Chrysler/Jeep, Mitsubishi, all the GM brands, Hyundai/Kia and many Chinese and Indian brands. And the ones already mentioned by dsl too
2018-06-06 09:09
johnfromstaffs ENMorgan. 2018-06-06 08:05
the sad biker UKI'll raise you on that, name a car manufacturer who's cars are attractively styled? They're all just amorphous blobs these days.

What happened to sleek & svelte?
2018-06-06 01:40
dsl SXThese things are too huge - bigger than a typical Scottish cottage - and hideous to stand any chance of being beautiful. But same applies for all its equally monstrous competitors and it's not quite as bad as previous Q8. These mega SUVs have no real design integrity - they exist because there are enough rich and stupid people out there.

Most beautiful Audi ever?? The 100 S coupe for me. Modern Audis are flash and ugly, just like BMWs, Mercs and so on - no winners anywhere, just incoherent messes with no intrinsic charm. But Japanese things such as Lexus are even worse.

So a challenge - name any car makers whose products are more attractively styled than 10 years ago. I run out of steam after Seat, Volvo and maybe Peugeot.
2018-06-06 01:22
Exiv96 BEJust the same Audi design, carried over and over, but this time with a "potato chip slicer" grille : Link to "media.centrakor.com"

Joking aside, when I saw the title, I thought it was an informercial about the petroleum company Q8 : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait_Petroleum_International
2018-06-06 00:15
AleX_DJ ATMost beautiful Audi ever imho 2018-06-05 22:38
carcrasher88 USFairly recent 4900 of some sort? 2018-06-05 22:36
train68 USWestern Star 2018-06-05 22:32
walter ITEp. 1
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Ep. 3
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Ep. 4
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Ep. 5
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Main picture from fifth episode too.
2018-06-05 22:29
walter IT[Image: q8unleashed.jpg]

A five-episodes series made for the brand new Audi Q8 unveil https://q8.audi/
Starring Jack Loy: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm7151583/


Some previous Audi short films, just for sample:

The Other Side of the Road (2003)
The Art of the Heist (2005)
The Next Big Thing (2010)
Untitled Jersey City Project (2011)

Fairly sure this will get its IMDB page as well soon.
2018-06-05 22:18
walter ITEp. 3
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2018-06-05 22:05

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