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1941 International Harvester K-Series Gar Wood Tipper

1941 International Harvester K-Series in The Spirit of '45, Documentary, 2013 IMDB

Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: US — Built in: UK — Made for: GB

1941 International Harvester K-Series Gar Wood Tipper

Position 00:02:00 [*] Background vehicle

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dsl SX

2015-12-14 16:56

[Image: 02-00truckb.jpg] [Image: 02-00truckctipper.jpg]

Tipper

Sunbar UK

2015-12-14 17:34

Looks like another 1941 International Harvester K-6 Garwood Tipper

-- Last edit: 2015-12-14 17:35:25

dsl SX

2015-12-14 18:46

Interesting - that one is GGU 92 - this one starts with G and ends in 73 or 93
[Image: 02-00truckeg.jpg] [Image: 02-00truckd93.jpg]

eLMeR MH

2015-12-16 04:11

Were only K-6 models sold in UK? If not, and as all heavy-duty models had the same cab, what helps to see a K-6 in the pictures of the documentary?
[Image: 1941ihk6-k7.jpg] [Image: 1941ihk8-k10-k-11.jpg]
(1941? brochure covers)

-- Last edit: 2015-12-16 04:12:55

dsl SX

2015-12-16 04:44

"Sold" is perhaps the wrong word - supplied may be more appropriate, because in WW2 these were probably US aid batches sent to UK and distributed as needed, amongst other things so that all truck factories could switch to producing military stuff - planes, tanks, whatever. So we got loads of civilian commercials from US - tractors, trucks, bulldozers etc. I've no idea what Ks arrived apart from the comment on some of these K-6 pages that we got some K-6s for use in London clearing blitz rubble. So we might as well run with K-6 as a known quantity. And as our UK "K-6"s are all RHD, I guess I-H produced a specific batch in one go, rather than a random trickle across the ranges, which could also be supported by a simpler batch of spare parts. But this is all supposition, which could be overturned by better info/evidence ...

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-12-16 10:29

There is a suggestion in S W Stevens-Stratten's British Lorries 1900-1992 that International Lorries were imported ckd and assembled here by an offshoot. There is a picture of a what is said to be a K8 flat truck loaded with some sort of sacks containing what could be grain or cement or whatever. The operator is Harrison of London, the picture is dated 1943 which could be right as the vehicle has a headlight dimmer fitted.

From memory, also, a Willesden firm called W W Drinkwater operated International tippers on rubble clearance.

Sunbar UK

2015-12-16 10:49

"The first International Harvester assembly plant in the UK was set up at Liverpool, close to the docks Orrell Park, in 1923. A large works for full-scale manufacturing was built at Doncaster in 1938. It was requisitioned by the UK government during the Second 2 World War, and only returned to IHC operation in 1946. It produced wheel tractors, crawler tractors and farm implements." https://www.reading.ac.uk/merl/collections/Archives_A_to_Z/merl-TR_IHC.aspx

International Harvester UK did assemble Loadstar trucks in the UK for a short time after about 1965 (about ten years - with some local content). Its not impossible I guess that CKD kits were assembled during the war for bomb site clearance. To date no direct information found other than tractor or munitions manufacture in the wartime years.

Sunbar UK

2015-12-16 11:12

Found in CM Archive details of Lend Lease Trucks assembled partly in the UK.

"2,000 New Internationals for Civilian Operators"

edit: The Model is question is designated the K8? in the article!

The chassis, on arrival in this country, are being assembled under the administration of the Ministry of Supply, whilst distribution is being effected by the International Harvester Co. of Great Britain, Ltd., 259, City. Road, London, E.C.1, to which concern inquiries should be addressed...

Read more at Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com" http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/12th-december-1941/35/latest-international-as-8-cubic-yd-tipper

-- Last edit: 2015-12-16 11:18:53

Sunbar UK

2015-12-16 12:11

johnfromstaffs wrote There is a suggestion in S W Stevens-Stratten's British Lorries 1900-1992 that International Lorries were imported ckd and assembled here by an offshoot. There is a picture of a what is said to be a K8 flat truck....


International K8 model referred to in CM Archive article in 1941 ...

I suggest we change from K-6 to K-8 in our listings since the limited previous written references say K-8?

Gar Wood Tipping Gear rather than 'Garwood'.
Gar Wood Industries was incorporated in Michigan in January 1922 as Wood Hydraulic Hoist & Body Company. The company was founded by Garfield A. Wood, better known as Gar Wood,

-- Last edit: 2015-12-16 13:35:06

eLMeR MH

2015-12-16 16:24

If there is any doubt about the ton-rating/model, K-Series would certainly be more "sure", I think.

-- Last edit: 2015-12-16 16:25:29

Sunbar UK

2015-12-17 17:54

With at least three articles found in the CM Archive showing K-8, and none for K-6, I do not have a problem with accuracy.

I think the wrongly identified K-6 in wartime UK production is an error that developed more recently or on the internet. One error can become 'fact' if repeated often enough, but in this case we have the original articles to refer to.

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-12-17 19:05

The Stevens-Stratten article referred to the K8 as 6 ton, but only a single source is never totally trustworthy.

Sunbar UK

2015-12-17 21:29

Probably down-rated for wartime use, both civil and military...

Also here...
[Image: ih_k8.jpg]

Rating of 5-6 tonner, K-8 UK assembled, confirmed by CM archive.

"Rated as a 5-6-tonner.... the model in question is designated the K-8, although as a home manufacture (in the UK) it would probably be... classified as suitable for 8 tons of pay-load"
The archive.commercialmotor.com


-- Last edit: 2015-12-17 21:31:10

eLMeR MH

2015-12-18 00:04

From what I understood from brochures and some scarce sites, a K-8 is a "3-4 ton" truck with a max. GVWR of 12,000 lbs (17,500 lbs when with a dual rear axle). The 4-6 ton was the K-11 (GVWR of 18,000 lbs). We should certainly be more cautious and use K-Series to avoid any more guesses about weird "down-ratings" which appear to be up-ratings and possibly just due to errors in articles... Did you find another source to confirm this weird ton-rating, Sunbar?

And unless we want the IMCDb to use as inaccurate identifications as most fan sites do, this ton-rating, if accurate and then unusual, should really not appear in the identification as IH didn't use it in the sales name for the K-Series.

Another thing that I feel a bit disturbing is to imply that all K-Series in UK should be this specific model. The truck of this page is a RHD one, due to the wiper location, I don't question this. But what about the possibility of US models, for other trucks? The number of post-war surplus in all Europe show that US troops came with a lot of "home-made" vehicles...

-- Last edit: 2015-12-18 00:07:16

Sunbar UK

2015-12-18 11:55

To err on the side of caution, eL MeR, I have no problem with 'K-series' as there is enough discussion here to cover the subject.

Obviously without definite manufacturing details of the UK built trucks and the mix of those compared to any imported from the USA we cannot be certain. The way that UK trucks were classified in the past was open to a lot of abuse both by manufactures and by their users and 'tonnage' as pointed out by the main CM article was open to different interpretations, (differences between US and Uk) so probably cannot be relied on. The source for the data itself in the CM article cannot be determined today, 75 years later.

eLMeR MH

2015-12-19 00:10

I must admit that I feel more comfortable with a sure generic identification rather than a precise but less certain one ;)
The lack of various reliable sources is indeed a recurrent problem for the trucks, especially for the old ones.

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