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1985 Citroën Axel 
Class: Cars, Hatchback — Model origin: 
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◊ 2015-12-10 21:31 |
Citroen Visa/AXel |
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◊ 2015-12-10 21:32 |
Axel |
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◊ 2015-12-10 22:15 |
 why "origin F, made in RO"? It should be "origin RO" as the other Oltcit here, too:/vehicles.php?make=Oltcit&model=Club&modelMatch=1&modelInclModel=on |
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◊ 2018-03-11 14:43 |
It's an interesting question, though. The Axel/Oltcit was made in Romania, but its origins lie in Citroën's Y-project, before Peugeot ordered to use the Peugeot 104's floorpan, which resulted in the smaller Visa. The original Y-project was then flogged toff to Romania. https://www.flickr.com/photos/klausnahr/7803445850 https://www.flickr.com/photos/klausnahr/7803439656/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Prototype_Y In fairness, it should be "origin France". |
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◊ 2018-03-11 17:03 |
This wouldn't be neither logical, nor stringent. We list the Saipa-R5 as "origin Iran", the Seat 132 as "origin Spain" and a Roman R-Series as "origin Romania". |
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◊ 2018-03-12 00:17 |
Is it true that the Axel was built on a Fiat 127-derived chassis following an older agreement between Fiat and Citroën while developing the Y-project? |
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◊ 2018-03-12 22:39 |
Really ? I wonder why we do that. |
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◊ 2018-03-13 00:42 |
Actually we list all Fiat-based Seats with "origin Spain". Same with Fiat-derivates, built in Yugoslavia, Poland, Argentina, Austria, Brazil and otherwise, none "origin Italy" - but strangely not the West German Neckar-cars. The IMCDb-systematics is not really stringent and logical, but well... |
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-- ◊ 2018-03-13 00:47 |
Well there is no written rule but I hope we don't get Cherys listed as origin: Italy just because they were Pininfarina designed and were once a clay model in Italy. The country where the car was first mass produced seems fair. |
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◊ 2018-03-13 12:06 |
The rule seems to be that simple rebadging (such as two brands laying claim to the same vehicle with almost no change to the exterior other than cosmetics) retains the same model origin while vehicles that are based on one another with heavy change get the origin of the place they were mass produced. It's a funny rule with how car manufacturing works (which I feel means the rules should be at least re-examined for certain types of vehicles.) |
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◊ 2018-03-13 12:53 |
For example the Sevel vans: they are always listed with the origin of their respective makes, but imho it should be more correct to list them as origin France for Sevel Nord vehicles and origin Italy for Sevel Sud vehicles |
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