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1919 Morris Oxford 'Bullnose'

1919 Morris Oxford in The Home-Made Car, Short Movie, 1963 IMDB

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: UK

1919 Morris Oxford 'Bullnose'

Position 0:12:10 [*][*][*][*] Vehicle used a lot by a main character or for a long time

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Sunbar UK

2015-10-15 20:56

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[Image: 0-chassis-xxh-mc.jpg] [Image: 0-chassis-xzh-mc.jpg]

OK not the complete car but it has a lot of screen-time during the movie.

The actual car here...
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C398606

rjluna2 US

2015-10-15 22:41

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Curiously, according to the DVLA it was registered and manufactured in 1921 :think:

dsl SX

2015-10-15 22:54

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^ "....delivered in 1916 (it was not registered until 1921)......" from Sunbar's link. For whatever reason - not explained - a new car supplied in the middle of WW1 would be an unusual event.

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-10-16 00:00

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As in WW2, but not so pronounced because the car industry was much smaller, most of the engineering effort was concentrated into the production of armaments, or other equipment to help the war effort. New cars for the private person were not considered a priority.

rjluna2 US

2015-10-16 14:10

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That's explains the delay of the registration, John ;)

nzcarnerd NZ

2015-10-16 18:33

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Are you sure this is a two cylinder Perry? The engine looks too big and the wheelbase too long for it to be a twin. It looks more like an 11.9 hp four - the car that became the Bean 12 hp.

Sunbar UK

2015-10-17 21:42

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The engine did look too 'modern' for 1916 they possibly substituted a 1930s engine for filming.

I will get more screen captures if possible and also look at the wheelbase although if the online 'history' is true the chassis should be the actual Perry owned by Eric Longworth unless he had more restorations under way!.

Sunbar UK

2015-10-18 13:32

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nzcarnerd, I agree with your observations the chassis looks too long for the Perry 8hp 2 cylinder. The Perry 8hp would probably look far to small as a 'stand-in' bor a Bullnose Morris in the movie.

So did Eric Longworth own a 8hp 2 cylinder and a larger 11.9hp 4-cylinder or was it supplied by another owner. Or was a completely different car's chassis used?

Wikipedia's comment is either unclear or in error...
"The owner of the Bullnose Morris in the film, Eric Longworth, kept the car until his death in 2011. The car is now owned by Stuart Cooke of Darwen Lancashire. When the film was shot, the car had already been fully restored, so the chassis of another car which Eric was restoring at the time, a rare 1916 Perry, was used to replicate the Morris during restoration."

The 2 cylinder engine and the larger engine in the movie.
[Image: 2cyl1.jpg] [Image: engine3.jpg]

The larger engine appears to fit the chassis too well for it to be different engine used only for filming I think.

The chassis in the movie is to long and does not have the kick-up over the rear axle.

[Image: perryadvert.jpg] [Image: perrychassis2.jpg]

Reset to 'Perry unknown' (or possibly just 'Unkown')?

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Following the above I searched for a Bullnose Morris chassis, and I believe it matches the engine, clutch-housing, gearbox and chassis so not a Perry after all.

[Image: bullnosedcowley.jpg] [Image: bullnosedcowley2.jpg]

I think the Wikipedia entry is wrong and another Bullnose Morris chassis with engine was borrowed for filming. The body (tub) is also partially seen and may identify it better.

[Image: body.jpg]

-- Last edit: 2015-10-18 14:09:02

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-10-18 18:28

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Look at the rear suspension.

The rear springs are three-quarter elliptic, as fitted to all Bullnose Morris chassis.

-- Last edit: 2015-10-18 18:31:04

Sunbar UK

2015-10-18 20:30

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Something new I've learned today!

I guess an Oxford or Cowley chassis is the same (1923 onwards engine variant excepted), so stick with Oxford for the 'stand-in' chassis.

Hotchkiss type as here, engines commencing in 1919.

Sunbar UK

2015-10-18 21:22

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Closing down my carandclassic.co.uk web-link for the 1916 Perry 8hp 2 cylinder and I recognised the body as the one in the movie!

So there was a connection, the body not the chassis.
Its also why the body looks too small for the Morris chassis. So Wikipedia is not totally wrong.

[Image: 1914perrybody.jpg]

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-10-18 23:25

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Not quite the same from 1925, when the Oxford chassis was lengthened in wheelbase from 8'6" to 9' and four wheel brakes offered as standard.

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