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Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud Standard Steel Saloon

Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud in Mannix, TV Series, 1967-1975 IMDB Ep. 1.14

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: UK

Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud Standard Steel Saloon

[*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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supcoach US

2015-04-26 17:48

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Rolls Royce Silver Cloud II

no-a RU

2015-04-26 17:50

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johnfromstaffs EN

2015-04-26 18:48

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Why a Silver Cloud II?

Once again, you have failed to identify the coachbuilder.

supcoach US

2015-04-26 20:06

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I leave the coachbuilder id to people more qualified than I, such as you....and besides if you walked up to someone on the street and asked what the vehicle was...they would say a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud....the coachbuilder being somewhat irrelevant.....

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johnfromstaffs EN

2015-04-26 23:11

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You are wrong in your assumption of irrelevance. A proportion of these cars was supplied chassis only, and the coachbuilder forms an integral part of the identity of the car, even in the case of the factory built standard steel saloons.

supcoach US

2015-04-27 00:51

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I agree with you with regards to vehicles built prior to the Silver Cloud series...when coachbuilt actually meant something...From Silver Cloud on, I disagree..And everyone is entitled to their opinion :)

And also, how can one distinguish (Silver Clouds) with regard to coachbuilt or Standard Steel Salon??

-- Last edit: 2015-06-04 03:44:34

dsl SX

2015-04-27 01:36

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supcoach wrote how can one distinguish (Silver Clouds) with regard to coachbuilt or Standard Steel Salon??

The shape?? No point in building a coachbuilt which looks exactly the same as a Standard Steel Saloon??

I entered this as SCII after your ID above, but like jfs I'm interested in how to separate SCII from SCI??

johnfromStaffs EN

2015-04-27 11:28

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Between 5 and 10 per cent of the "Cloud" type chassis were coachbuilt, and you are quite right in saying that coachbuilt cars were on their last legs by the time the Series III models came in in 1962. Nonetheless, this would amount to over 1,000 coachbuilt cars, including the Bentleys, built on this chassis type. One easy way to tell if a car is coachbuilt by outside (to Crewe) agencies is to see if it has a roof. The Standard Steel Saloons were just that, saloons, although H J Mulliner did convert a number to drophead coupes.

Coachbuilders supplying bodies for these chassis were H J Mulliner, Park Ward, (later Mulliner Park Ward and under R-R control) James Young and Hooper.

There was also a very small number of Shadow and T Series cars that were converted to two-door and even this: - Link to "en.wikipedia.org"

Finally, the only way to tell a V-8 car from a Six cylinder car is to open the bonnet and look, until the Series 3, or III cars were introduced the standard bodies had no distinguishing features.

-- Last edit: 2015-04-27 11:32:41

supcoach US

2015-04-27 13:33

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So basically what you are saying is that the drophead coupes/convertibles were coachbuilt??? I take it this is because Crewe was unable to properly convert topped into topless....

Then all RR closed sedans would be Standard Steel Salons..There is a dichotomy here somewhere.....

-- Last edit: 2015-04-27 13:36:06

dsl SX

2015-04-27 14:06

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There were coachbuilt RR SC and Bentley S saloons - special orders, James Young Tourings, the Mulliner Continentals (started on Bentley S, later offered on RR SC as well) - plus the factory LWB versions.

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-04-27 19:19

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supcoach wrote So basically what you are saying is that the drophead coupes/convertibles were coachbuilt??? I take it this is because Crewe was unable to properly convert topped into topless....

Then all RR closed sedans would be Standard Steel Salons..There is a dichotomy here somewhere.....


Crewe bought the standard steel bodies from Pressed Steel, but untrimmed and not painted. The bodies were made from welded together pressings just like any mainstream body would be. Crewe also exported chassis, untrimmed and bodiless to coachbuilders who built saloons and coupes from scratch with and without tin roofs.

This is a coachbuilt Silver Cloud Saloon by James Young, compare with the subject car and you will see that it is not a Standard Steel Saloon.
Link to "www.christies.com"

This is another Silver Cloud Saloon, coachbuilt by Hooper.
Link to "www.boldride.com"

This is a drophead coupe by Mulliner, based upon the Standard Saloon.
Link to "www.boldride.com"

This is another later effort by Mulliner Park Ward.
Link to "www.boldride.com"

All of these cars are correctly described as "Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud", but you can see that further description could be needed.

-- Last edit: 2015-04-27 19:39:12

supcoach US

2015-04-27 20:42

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All of these cars are correctly described as "Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud", but you can see that further description could be needed.

MPW ruined a classic design

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-04-27 20:47

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As you said earlier, each is entitled to his own opinion.

DidierF FR

2015-04-29 00:12

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… But a Silver Cloud II can't be '1957'. 1959+.

no-a RU

2016-06-14 21:26

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[*][*] Ep. 2.04
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[*][*] Ep. 2.22
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-- Last edit: 2016-06-14 21:26:28

johnfromstaffs EN

2016-06-14 23:35

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But why is it a Silver Cloud II and not a Series I? Does someone have knowledge of the actual car? You cannot tell the two variants apart by just looking at pictures.

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