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1937 Wolseley 18/80 Salon De Ville [Series II]

1937 Wolseley 18/80 [Series II] in Philomena, Movie, 2013 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: UK

1937 Wolseley 18/80 Salon De Ville [Series II]

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

Owner of this vehicle: richardwarner

Comments about this vehicle


Gag Halfrunt UK

2014-03-04 21:22

HI was County Tipperary.

That font is often used on replacement plates for old Republic of Ireland registrations. However, since the convent scenes were filmed in England it's probably a false registration.

dsl SX

2014-03-04 21:31

Wolseley 14/56?? I can't trace a GHI plate as genuine series (but this may be a typo in my book as FHI and HHI both existed about 1960), and it's a strange font. No trace now on eg Cartell, and 1960 date far too recent for the car.

johnfromstaffs EN

2014-03-04 23:35

Link to "www.wolseleyregister.co.uk"

Series II, 1935 to 1937.

It appears that the County Council of the South Riding of Tipperary made a conscious decision not to allocate GHI and IHI, in both letters first and numbers first modes, so not a typo.

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dsl SX

2014-03-04 23:44

Sept 38 onwards S3 for opening boot.

johnfromstaffs EN

2014-03-05 08:38

According to the Wolseley register, the car shown by my link is a Series II, and appears identical in design with the subject vehicle.
HF 7306 is a Wallasey CBC registration, from about half way through 1937.
These cars are both the "Salon de Ville" variant which had an external opening boot and show different styling from the Morris based bodies.

The correct title should, in my opinion be "1935+ Wolseley 14/56 Series II Salon de Ville".

This is a Series III rear view, note the difference in the lid, central handle only. The 1939 Series III model was called 14/60.
Link to "www.google.co.uk"

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dsl SX

2014-03-05 12:55

OK - done, but Glass's says 14/56 introduced June 36. But I've realised something else - there does not seem to have ever been a 14/56 Series I or Series III - as you say Series III was called 14/60, and Series I was New Fourteen (I think - from Glass's). So the Series number is a [type], not a Mark, and we'll need to change 15 14/56 entries and 35 14/60 entries. Also slightly puzzled given those sort of numbers (which do include some particular cars used repeatedly) that we have no obvious [Series I] entries - are there alternate names for the New Fourteen??

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johnfromstaffs EN

2014-03-05 13:41

There are major differences between the cars stemming from the earlier designs, i.e. Fourteen 1935, and New Fourteen NF 1935/6 (lower, wider, shorter and with pressed steel wheels not wires), and the Series II cars. The engine of previous models of Wolseley was single overhead camshaft, IIRC with the camshaft drive being the armature of the dynamo, set vertically at the front and causing problems with inaccessibility and oil getting into the commutator. W R Morris personally bought Wolseley from Vickers in 1927, and sold the company to Morris Motors in 1935, after which the cars became "upmarket Morrises, distinguished by better interiors and overhead valve engines", (Sedgwick and Gillies, Cars of the 1930s).

The 1935 Morris cars, (but not the Eight, which had both pre-series and series I models), introduced by Leonard Lord before the bust-up with W R Morris, appear to have been called Series II and the Wolseleys seem to have followed on, using the Morris designs but with pushrod overhead valves instead of side valves, and sometimes an extra gear in the transmission, until the Morrises were offered with four speeds (the 25hp cars may only ever have had three speeds). According to Sedgwick, the Series III models were all called Series III from 1938 (apart from the 12/48 introduced in 1937), but according to Wikipedia, this system of naming was not adopted until after WW2. This series of cars all had a new chassis design and reduced ride height, as well as the spare wheel under the boot lid in a separate compartment.

The New Fourteen NF does not appear to have been called anything else.

Link to "www.ebay.com"

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dsl SX

2014-03-05 21:48

OK - progress so far, using Glass's and Sedgewick & Gillies (A-Z of Cars of the 1930s) as my references plus jfs info ^, plus comments made by various folk on various 30s Wolseley pages: I have edited all the following entries into [type] from Mark or extra info or comments:
- [Series II] - 10/40, 14/56, 18/80
- [Series III] - 14/60, 18/85 (except obviously the ADO17 examples). No 16/65 entries at the moment.

12/48 and Super Six 25 seem to have had both [Series II] and [Series III]; all except one 12/48 had already been nominated as Series III so have just transferred those to [type], and sorted the Super Six 25 trio according to best evidence. No lesser Super Six (16 or 21) to worry about.

johnfromstaffs EN

2014-03-05 23:12

Well done. It is to be hoped that we don't run into the minefield of the plethora of overhead camshaft models that pre-date the series II, it's most confusing. We had two Hornets in the family, CDH 315, a bog standard saloon, and JP 95, a Hornet Special, in this case a 12hp saloon fitted with the 14hp engine from new, apparently. I have a clear memory of riding in the Hornet Special, aged about 4, and thinking how noisy it was. There is a photograph of me and my brother, wearing helmet type hats, overcoats and leggings (not the modern sort!!) somewhere, standing by that car drinking cups of tea.

dsl SX

2014-03-05 23:33

Thanks. Let me know if you spot anything further to update or any I missed - it's unfamiliar territory for me. I suppose the logical sequel is to do the comparable Morris models - is that worth attempting? Which ones to target? And do post that photo .....

johnfromstaffs EN

2014-03-06 17:44

I've looked at the Morris models and there doesn't seem to be much of a problem, I suppose that there are fewer cars in the films because they weren't generally recognised as police cars.

I also visited my brother today, the photograph has gone, so no laughs at my expense.

dsl SX

2014-03-06 17:53

Good news - we don't have to do the Morrises. Bad news - no photo.

chicomarx BE

2014-03-09 18:36

[Image: philomena3.jpg] [Image: philomena2.jpg]

richardwarner UK

2014-09-29 19:17

hi the car above is my car it is not a 1456 and reg number is not as shown correct reg in bletchly circle best of luck i will let you know when you get it right!

dsl SX

2014-09-29 19:32

So what is it??

Sunbar UK

2014-09-29 20:45

Bletchley Circle series 2 ep 1 (tbc) reg No. TFF693, a Wolseley 18/80 (4 Door Saloon)?

The vehicle details for TFF 693 as 'Wolseley 18/80' are:
Date of Liability 01 07 2015
Date of First Registration 10 11 1937
Year of Manufacture 1937
Cylinder Capacity (cc) 2321cc
Vehicle Colour BLACK

richardwarner UK

2014-09-29 23:19

yep 1937 series 2 wolseley 1880 salondeville also used in flemming and other films and just about to be used in the out cast

richardwarner UK

2014-12-03 23:32

hi just an up date car above now one of the main cars in new dads army film it is roses car played by miss jones!

dsl SX

2018-10-23 21:40

richardwarner wrote now one of the main cars in new dads army film


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