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1976 Volvo 245 DL

1976 Volvo 245 in Smiley's People, TV Series, 1982 IMDB Ep. 5

Class: Cars, Wagon — Model origin: SE

1976 Volvo 245 DL

Position 00 29 40 [*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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dsl SX

2014-01-31 02:40

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[Image: 29-40volvoch.jpg] [Image: 29-40volvochdest.jpg]

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atom SE

2014-01-31 07:22

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1976-1977

chris40 UK

2014-01-31 08:28

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Fake Swiss plate - very wrong font.

zodiac SE

2014-01-31 09:50

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Agree 1976 because of the black licence plate illuminators. Any possibility to have a look at the steering wheel? (different shape 1975 until early 1976)
But then again, it has the bumpers from 1978+, which indicates it has been involved in a crash sometimes in the past.
I see this colour as a 1975 model, but could have lived on for a year or so.

-- Last edit: 2014-01-31 10:24:05

Gag Halfrunt UK

2014-01-31 12:05

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chris40 wrote Fake Swiss plate - very wrong font.

What's more, Swiss front plates are tiny.

ingo DE

2014-01-31 12:19

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Not all. As in CH plates are personal-related and not car-related, sometimes you can see cars with old (pre-1972) larger front plates, (of course) owned by older people.

atom SE

2014-01-31 14:30

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What's the difference between the 1976 and 1978 bumper?

zodiac SE

2014-01-31 15:06

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@atom:
In 1975 Volvo used almost the same bumpers front and rear, with the rubber mouldings almost looking like overriders http://www.autoevolution.com/image/volvo-245-1980/15559.html#sjmp (NOT a 1980 MY, but 1975).
On the 1976 and 1977 models the "overriders" disappeared, but Volvo still wanted the bumpers looking as a whole unit. Therefore they painted a black field behind the licence plate http://www.volvoclubthailand.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1187902009/0 (second picture).
In 1978 they decided it unneccesary withe the black field, and thus it disappeared http://www.reocities.com/ruudschols240/240g.html (second picture which IS NOT a 1976 MY).

-- Last edit: 2014-01-31 15:09:31

dsl SX

2014-01-31 15:17

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Interior shots for steering wheel:
[Image: 29-40volvoch31-01int.jpg] [Image: 29-40volvoch31-22int.jpg]

[Image: 29-40volvoch32-52int.jpg]

During this sequence seen from within the orange estate driving through the diplomatic quarter, they get passed by a newer grille local police 240 saloon:
[Image: 30-52policevolvo.jpg] [Image: 30-52policevolvob.jpg]

[Image: 30-52policevolvoc.jpg]
There's also another police saloon parked with the older shovel front (same as orange estate) plus at least 3 parked civilian 144/244 saloons (blue, yellow, dark red) during the sequence.

atom SE

2014-01-31 15:19

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@zodiac: Are you sure? I have seen both 76 and 77 MY cars with the bumper without black paint behind the licence plate. I think that bumper came sometime mid 76.

-- Last edit: 2014-01-31 15:20:51

zodiac SE

2014-01-31 16:29

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@atom:
Yes, I'm quite (= most definitely) sure, as I have a 1976 Volvo 244 DL, which I bought in around 1992, at home.
It was my daily driver for some 10 years, and when one own something, at least I tend to spot someone with a similar thing. In this case the car.
Also my parent owned a 1978 Volvo 245 DL between 1980 and sometimes in the early 90's, which made me compare the two.
In my collection of motor magazines I read that when introducing the 1978 model, Volvo had made plenty of changes, most of them minor, and among them changing the bumper.

BUT, when someone crashed an earlier model, and when the crash happened sometimes around 1978 and later, Volvo, or whatever insurance company in question, didn't want to spend that extra money to paint things that did't matter a great deal. Today I'm driving a 1988 Volvo 740 GLE, which sometimes in the first years of it's life was involved in a crash whereupon the front was changed, but they didn't care to paint under the car before putting on protective tar. That resulted in a lot of rust when the moisture eventually found it's way underneath the tar :mad: .

What is your experience with those cars, both before and after 1978?

@dsl:
The steering wheel is the later one, which came in production sometimes mid 1976 MY.

atom SE

2014-01-31 16:39

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I don't doubt your knowledge, I wasn't sure as I have heard it was a change for the 1976 MY.
I have owned a 1976 242 L, 1983 244 GL, 1984 244 GL, 1988 244 GL and a 1990 245 GL. The '76 242 had the bumper with black paint.

zodiac SE

2014-01-31 17:07

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@atom:
Thank you for telling me this. Now I know you have a "hands on" experience with these cars.
The problem with the Internet is that I never know whom to trust, as information easily (very often far too easily) can be obtain from sources that are not always trustworthy. And also that I've read plenty of mistakes on the imcdb as well, some of which I've tried to correct.

But having that said, nobody knows everything of anything, and Volvo's ÄT (= Ändringstillfällen (ENG: Times of change)) which happens (happened?) some 10 times every year is always a sourse of irritation. Especially when trying to hunt for spare parts on a car demolition plant. That's where I learnt that, despite looking almost the same for an extended length of time, underneath Volvo's are quite different.
Also Volvo's production from various countries differ. The Canadian Volvo's are very much unlike the Torslanda ones, and they in turn wasn't like the Kalmar ones (I've read somewhere).

I'm not an expert, but always curious.
Where did you hear about the bumpers on the 1976 MY?

-- Last edit: 2014-01-31 17:10:09

atom SE

2014-01-31 21:36

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It was probably here: /vehicle_251739-Volvo-244-1976.html

Here is a few 1976-1977 with this bumper:
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/vehicle_119743-Volvo-244-1977.html
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/vehicle_134872-Volvo-245-Begravningsbil-1977.html
/vehicle_226320-Volvo-245-Begravningsbil-1977.html

zodiac SE

2014-02-02 18:15

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@atom:
Now I've been through my collection of brouchures and magazines from 1976 and 1977, and I cannot find any traces of a new car without the black marking.
I've found one thing, though, that differ from my original thought. It seems Volvo made early 1976 models (with the new camshaft) that looked like 1975 MY with the earlier rubber on the front bumper, the silver licence plate illuminators and the earlier steering wheel. I believe they changed around the New Year 1975/76.
Also I believe they didn't paint the bumpers on those cars involved in crashes in 1976 and 1977, because I saw one example of a unpainted bumper; a 242 rally car driven by PI Walfridsson. There's no problem imagine it might have been involved in a crash.

There's also no problem explaining the bumpers on the police cars as they were often involved in crashes.
Until further evidence I will continue to believe cars made between 1976.01 and 1977.06 (before the hollidays) had black paint when delivered, and no black paint if repaired.

zodiac SE

2014-02-04 08:39

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@atom:
There's one thing more that should be added concerning the bumper.
Many film makers have a tight budget, and is a car selected to be bought - not rarely to be crashed within the film - it's far more likely to by a car that is cheap rather than prestine. And cheap cars are more likely to have been in a crash.
Therefore it's not unlikely cars appearing on this page have been modified in some stage, and thus it might be rather difficult to determine a MY because of small features.

Not long after I got my driving licence I destroyed the grill and headlight surroundings on my parents 1978 Volvo 245 DL in a crash. I was devastated, and tried the nearest car demolition plant for a spare grill. They didn't have a 1978 one, and I had to buy a 1976-77 one instead. I did fit, but the car looked somewhat peculiar. However it could still be identified as a 1978 because of the black door mirrors and, most of all, the silver paint.

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