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mike962 ◊ 2013-10-04 18:20	this looks like a FAKE it has a very long turret which may resemble Leopard but its too long for the chassis and it doesn't match up in many places http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Leo2A5.JPG I suspect it is one of the old Patton series with a fake turret on it -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 18:20:53
Robi ◊ 2013-10-04 18:41	Maybe a mock-up built on some old Soviet tank?
mike962 ◊ 2013-10-04 18:47	it could be , but without seeing the track wheels no way to know for sure you can tell that it's a fake because the turret goes beyound the chassis rear end, this is a big NO-NO for a real tank
Ingo ◊ 2013-10-04 18:54	Why not just a wreck, standing around on a military training area (this location looks very much like one)? Even on the little training ground in the North of Hannover, where I have done my service in 1990/91, there were three remains of 1950ies tanks. Unfortunately I didn't made pics of them. I remember, that noone of my comrades, the officers neither, could identify them. We were all too young. And none militaria-freak among us.
mike962 ◊ 2013-10-04 19:00	^ Ingo they could be fakes for target practice or something you can see inventory of Bundeswehr, nothing with such an overlong turret , it could be a M48 Patton with fake longer turret http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Kettenfahrzeugen_der_Bundeswehr -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 19:03:10
Robi ◊ 2013-10-04 19:12	I'm not an expert, but maybe they bought cheap old tanks for target practice from abroad, and didn't use their own.
mike962 ◊ 2013-10-04 19:25	robi wrote I'm not an expert, but maybe they bought cheap old tanks for target practice from abroad, and didn't use their own. then why bother painting a Bundeswehr logo on it if it's just for target practice , it's like they practice shooting their own tanks -- Last edit: 2013-10-04 19:25:18
2491tj ◊ 2013-10-05 19:15	this is one of only 40 US M48A2 tanks supplied to the West German Army in early 1960,before the introduction of the west german leopard tank. originally the bundeswehr ordered 150 from the US but they reneiged on a contract so only 40 were delivered...the rest the US sold to the Israeli army. the vehicle in the picture was put on a firing range when they were declared obsolete when the leopard was introduced, and the tank in the picture still sports its West German insignia..in the picture the turret is traversed to the rear position...if its still on this range..it should be saved for preservation..because they only had 39 others..and this one is still in its Bundy markings. -- Last edit: 2013-10-05 19:19:10
2491tj ◊ 2013-10-05 19:16	mike962 wrote it could be , but without seeing the track wheels no way to know for sure you can tell that it's a fake because the turret goes beyound the chassis rear end, this is a big NO-NO for a real tank turret is traversed..the gun is over the rear of the tank
2491tj ◊ 2013-10-05 19:17	mike962 wrote then why bother painting a Bundeswehr logo on it if it's just for target practice , it's like they practice shooting their own tanks see explanation above..
mike962 ◊ 2013-10-05 19:22	2491tj wrote turret is traversed..the gun is over the rear of the tank even so the Patton didn't have such a long turret this is the part I am refering, unless it's bodykit added to make it look more like a Leopard like I originally speculated -- Last edit: 2013-10-05 19:22:18
Sandie ◊ 2013-10-05 19:30	Is that actually part of the tank? To me it looks like something of a similar colour (maybe a turret or part of a turret from another tank) that is lying on the ground behind this tank.
mike962 ◊ 2013-10-05 19:39	and to me this section up front is too sharply pointed fowards to be an M48 turret , the real one looks way more flat here real M48 for comparison http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/M48-Patton-latrun-2-1.jpg to me those whole thing could have been a FAKE Leopard tank used for some previous movies perhaps the Leopard have this distinctive long and sharp pointed turrets http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/Leopard_2_tank.JPG Link to "upload.wikimedia.org" -- Last edit: 2013-10-05 19:41:24
Ingo ◊ 2013-10-05 20:15	robi wrote I'm not an expert, but maybe they bought cheap old tanks for target practice from abroad, and didn't use their own. No, the Bundeswehr is not Cobra 11 For that purpose they just took broken, old own stuff. On those military areas the wrecks were standing around then for decades - until the areas were given off and sold (as our ground in Northern Hannover. No there is a complete new town-quarter standing there) or someone has complained about the enviromental laws - yes, they go for the Bundeswehr, too! Even 20 years ago we hadn't the free decision any more, to shit into the forest, where we would liked to do that No kidding, at all big maneuvres there was a truck with mobile toilets participating. Which had caused the effort to camuflage them correctly No kidding, everything outdoor had the be camouflaged! A bit tricky with light blue DIXI-loos... -- Last edit: 2013-10-05 20:16:08
Robi ◊ 2013-10-06 02:56	Sandie wrote Is that actually part of the tank? To me it looks like something of a similar colour (maybe a turret or part of a turret from another tank) that is lying on the ground behind this tank. I think this is not a part of the tank, there's something similar behind it, like the object in the background.
mike962 ◊ 2013-10-06 10:19	I have another theory about this beast now such tanks in civilian ownership are forbidden BUT what if the original turret has been removed ?? a tank chassis by itself can hardly be classefied as weapon , so perhaps it's one in civilian ownership with a FAKE turret for just the looks it could also be something made for movie and RECYCLED here -- Last edit: 2013-10-06 10:20:26
Ingo ◊ 2013-10-06 21:54	mike962 wrote it could also be something made for movie and RECYCLED here As said above, this is rather unlikely. It looks very much like a real wreck on a real Bundeswehr-Truppenübungsplatz.
mike962 ◊ 2013-10-06 21:59	ingo wrote As said above, this is rather unlikely. It looks very much like a real wreck on a real Bundeswehr-Truppenübungsplatz. since it doesn't fit anything from Bundeswehr OR the old DDR army could it be a fake used for target practice then ?
Ingo ◊ 2013-10-06 23:21	mike962 wrote since it doesn't fit anything from Bundeswehr OR the old DDR army could it be a fake used for target practice then ? No, they really never have done such things (Du warst wahrscheinlich Zivi, stimmts? ). And look at 249tj's explanation, which makes everything clear and plausible. So the problemtatics, you are referring about, doesn't exist at all.
PeteP ◊ 2013-10-07 11:12	It is an M47, with the turret traversed tot he rear of the vehicle /vehicles_make-Chrysler_model-M47+%27Patton%27.html These vehicles have a large turret bustle, which acts both as counterweight and ammunition storage and can also have a box on the back making it look even bigger. This one seems to have some non-standard applique armour added to the bustle, presumably to increase protection for the ammunition. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M47_Patton_II_-_Dresden.jpg
mike962 ◊ 2014-01-22 12:20	mike962 wrote ^ Ingo they could be fakes for target practice or something you can see inventory of Bundeswehr, nothing with such an overlong turret , it could be a M48 Patton with fake longer turret http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Kettenfahrzeugen_der_Bundeswehr MIS ID !! this is a M41 Walker Bulldog !!! Link to "upload.wikimedia.org" Link to "upload.wikimedia.org" what happens is in german wiki it was not listed as being in german service but in the actual tank page in english it is listed as in german service http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M41_Walker_Bulldog -- Last edit: 2014-01-22 12:21:47
mike962 ◊ 2014-01-22 12:23	here correct designation /vehicle_452315-Cadillac-M41--Walker-Bulldog-.html
Robi ◊ 2015-05-05 18:16	The first year of production was 1951, according to Wikipedia.

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