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police car fan ◊ 2013-02-20 15:15	not for long
Lateef ◊ 2013-02-20 15:29	1977+
karoomay ◊ 2013-02-20 21:59	What a shame that it gets smashed since these were not very common in the U.S.
karoomay ◊ 2013-02-24 03:45	When it gets smashed
cko ◊ 2013-02-24 06:13	karoomay wrote What a shame that it gets smashed since these were not very common in the U.S. French cars never had a good reputation in the US, so none were ever real common except for Renault Alliances, but those were built in Wisconsin as AMC joint-venture, so they dont fully count
karoomay ◊ 2013-02-24 06:23	cko wrote French cars never had a good reputation in the US I know French cars were not popular in the U.S. but any ideas why?
-- ◊ 2013-02-24 06:42	Engine being too small compared to US and maybe Japanese cars of that era and possibly less reliable and more prone to rust than German cars, I think. -- Last edit: 2013-02-24 07:45:04
night cub ◊ 2013-02-24 07:55	karoomay wrote I know French cars were not popular in the U.S. but any ideas why? French cars were notoriously unreliable and expensive to maintain and repair. Peugeots had a small following, especially the diesels during the gas crisis in the late 70s-early 80s. Citroens were too weird for the US, and Renaults were literally disposable cars.
karoomay ◊ 2013-02-24 08:22	Yeah I figured, and by the late 1980s and early 1990s, Renault and Peugeot withdrew from the North American market (with the exception of Mexico) due to plummeting sales and financial issues. Citroen, being the least popular, withdrew way before in the mid 1970s. While French cars did not fare well in the North American market, I would say the most successful international markets outside of Europe was South America (mainly in Argentina) and the Middle East (plus North Africa), especially with Peugeots.
Ingo ◊ 2013-02-24 11:10	kegare wrote and more prone to rust than German cars, I think. The German cars until ca.1979/80 were terrible about that, too. Just the reputation was a bit better. But you're not really wrong. When I think about the legendary junkyard in Belgium, where on specific squares the cars were placed all at the same time and stayed there for decades, that French and Italian cars have rusted faster to the total death than German, Swedish or American cars. Of course, all cars were rusted to death, but the French were earlier decomposed to dust. I must kick "Tinhunter" again, that he finally digitalizes his 3000 pics from that mystic place...
Ingo ◊ 2013-02-24 11:10	P.S. Does the Peugeot have speciall alloys?
Ingo ◊ 2013-02-24 11:15	karoomay wrote I would say the most successful international markets outside of Europe was South America (mainly in Argentina) and the Middle East (plus North Africa), especially with Peugeots. You can expand it to all francophone countries on the world, not only in North Africa. Just google pics with "Peugeot Taxi Africa" - impressive
cko ◊ 2013-02-24 22:30	really, German cars weren't bad. VW Beetles are still plentiful.In the salt-using eastern states theres still a decent supply of W123 Benzes,but very little of anything else. French cars are thought of as being poorly engineered and unreliable.Americans have the same perception about Fiats, too, but because they own most of chrysler they found a way to re-enter the US market.
S 415 GT ◊ 2013-02-24 22:40	A lot of Porsche 911 and Mercedes SL are re-imported from California or Florida, because they have no rust and did not drove as fast as German ones.
Ingo ◊ 2013-02-25 13:30	Not only 911 and SL's - nowadays the majority of several classic car-models are US-re-imports, as Jaguar E-Types, Porsche 356, Porsche 914, Karmann Ghia, Opel GT, VW Beetle Convertible, VW T1 Station Wagon, Mercedes 600, Volvo 1800, Austin Healey 3000, many other British roadsters, and many more. For a classic car fan quite annoying, as they clutter up too many events But you have some problems with US-re-imports. Often they are cobbled with filler as accident-repairings, often they are faked "California"-, "Arizona"- or "Florida-cars", often paintwork and interior are cracked by the sun and often the American maintenance was very lousy. Of course you always have to change the headlights, taillights and their wiring before bring it into the traffic here. 1974+ cars have more problems. Except the optical ones with the ugly bumper-chunks and the ugly headlight-frames, most of them are strangled, even castrated. Caused by the new smog-regulations and the first catalytic converters. It's stupid, not to throw out that stuff, too. With that, some cars aren't really driveable.
cko ◊ 2013-02-25 16:52	There aren't many older cars in Florida anymore. I've checked the ads from various areas of the state and the number of results is very small. There are lots of hurricanes, which have wrecked many cars, plus the salt water and humidity causes rust.California still has many older cars but yes, they are US-spec, meaning big bumpers and lots of emissions controls. California is much dryer and that coast doesnt have the hurricanes,just mudslides and wildfires.Arizona is less populated so fewer cars.same with Nevada, which can be a good place for rust free cars.Texas has good cars as long as you stay away from the ocean,which is hurricane-prone.Texas has a lot of pickup trucks,which is a growing movement in the collector scene. I heard that people in Ireland often like to buy LHD classic cars from California.
antp ◊ 2013-02-25 17:24	karoomay wrote Citroen, being the least popular, withdrew way before in the mid 1970s. There is also due to a law passed for 1974, making the variable height suspension of the SM & DS illegal back then
Ingo ◊ 2013-02-25 21:10	@cko: yes, Nevada-cars shall be a kind of secret-insider-tipp, but the problem is, that the population there is not as big, so there are not enough cars, interesting for the export to Europe. As the import of US-classic is popular here since 25 years (sometimes more, sometimes less, depending on the $-rate), California and Florida are grazed since many years. The problem with faked "California-cars" increased in the past. It happens quite often, that some crook-dealers buy old clunkers in the Northeast, N.Y., the Rust Belt and so on, bring them to the South, give them California-papers for a while and then offer them as "California-car" - although they had lived 95% of their life in wet and salty areas.
Ingo ◊ 2013-02-25 21:15	cko wrote There aren't many older cars in Florida anymore. I've seen that at our vacations last March. We drove over 2500 km across the South and the middle or Florida - NONE classic cars, especially not at dealerships. It was even something special, that at one dealer -more a wrecker- for European cars, I saw a rotten VW Jetta I and an Audi 4000. Not worth a stop for some pics.
stockwell ◊ 2019-10-14 13:56	I am very angry against the peoples who took the decision to destroy this Peugeot 504. The 504 did not meet a great success in USA. Why they did not take a car who sold well in USA ?
Baube ◊ 2019-10-14 15:16	Because its Hollywood...

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