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1961 Commer HX 441 Owen

1961 Commer HX 441 in The Avengers, TV Series, 1961-1969 IMDB Ep. 7.17

Class: Bus, Single-deck — Model origin: UK

1961 Commer HX 441 Owen

[*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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sixcyl FR

2010-04-14 12:27

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Ep.7.17 "Killer" Meurtres au programme

Sunbar UK

2010-04-14 12:37

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Commer HX441 with bodywork by Owen as listed on SteveA's site Buses on Screen

http://www.busesonscreen.net/screen/screentvam.htm

Sunbar UK

2019-11-29 14:40

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'HX441' indicates it was possibly built on a (Karrier) Gamecock 4-ton truck chassis 141" wheelbase, and being, at the most, a 30 seater considerably shorter than the normal Avenger passenger chassis (161" to 210" wheelbases).

The 'HX' prefix is more of a mystery; the Gamecock was the 'E' series at the time and the Commer QX Mk.IV C-Series was 5 tons and above.

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johnfromstaffs EN

2019-11-29 21:40

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Reversed “BYP” London, April to July 1961.

dsl SX

2019-11-29 22:00

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Not arguing with ID, but grille badge seems to be longer than just COMMER (or KARRIER?) lettering??

johnfromstaffs EN

2019-11-29 22:05

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Link to "en.m.wikipedia.org"

Dunno, comparison with width of grille aperture.

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Sunbar UK

2019-11-30 14:03

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Commer badge shape and style agrees with 1961 date (and jfs link) Karrier was shorter and had an inverted shape compared to Commer.

I can only guess it was a attempt by Rootes to enter the small bus chassis market filling the gap between the Karrier 98A BF (14 seats) and Commer Avenger (over 30 seats).

Further searching for Karrier buses found other Gamecock truck chassis derived buses, Beadle produced two prototypes of integral bodied buses with Gamecock running gear in the mid 1950s and in about 1967 Hazlemere Motors built service buses on Karrier Gamecock chassis for the London Borough of Enfield.
edit: Karrier HZ (Gamecock WB 562 chassis) 5-Ton 162" wheelbase.

Also found this which although said to be a Karrier BF 98A chassis looks distinctly like it could be derived from Gamecock (with a Commer VA grille) but viewed only from the front makes seeing the, perhaps, double rear wheels and wheelbase difficult.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/141535500@N07/31921858964/

-- Last edit: 2019-11-30 16:47:37

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