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1960 Mercedes-Benz 220 [W111] 
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![1960 Mercedes-Benz 220 [W111]](i272061.jpg)
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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
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◊ 2010-01-16 16:26 |
Film de 1961, je verrais bien une 220S de 1960, [W111] |
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◊ 2010-01-16 16:30 |
Or, a 220 SE, anyway the car is with U.S.A. specifications (the headlights...) The plate is a West German border plate of that era. I saw them sometimes used by US officers living in West Berlin... but can't be sure, I am not German. -- Last edit: 2010-01-16 16:42:48 |
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◊ 2010-01-16 16:41 |
Let's go for the Einspritzung .gif ";)") |
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◊ 2010-01-16 16:43 |
sorry bref, I had to change the comment since at the beginning I didn't notice the US specifications... |
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◊ 2010-01-16 16:48 |
No problem. I saw the tourist plate too. And believe SE where more common everywhere. |
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◊ 2010-01-16 16:50 |
Sorry, but because of the single bladed rear bumper (and the single chrome strips between grille and headlights, but that's not well visible) it will have to be a 220 without S or SE... |
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◊ 2010-01-16 16:52 |
Good eyes DynaMike  |
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◊ 2010-01-16 17:19 |
very good eyes... |
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◊ 2010-01-16 17:22 |
@electra225: yes, it was the export-plate until 1987. |
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◊ 2010-01-16 23:25 |
Thank You ingo. Can you answer to the following answer ? Was this kind of plate used by people not permanently resident in the BRD or by people who had to pass through the DDR ? |
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◊ 2010-01-17 11:22 |
As far as I know it was a special plate for vehicles to be exported (Zollkennzeichen). Frequently used from members of the US army stationed in Germany. It was replaced by the Ausfuhrkennzeichen in the 1980s |
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◊ 2010-01-17 16:05 |
@electra225: for passing the DDR, you didn't need a special plate. If you had a residence there as a Western citizen (which was very rare, mostly only diplomats or journalists), you got special DDR-plates, red ones for diplomats and blue ones for non-diplomatic foreign residents. Today high-priced goodies for collectors. For non-permanent residents there were/are no special plates in Western Germany, except for foreign soldiers, stationated here. If you were living for more than a half year and a day, you have to registrate yourself and your car officially in Germany. Otherwise you keep the plate of the country, you are from. Sure, sometimes you can be tricky with that. So years ago I've wrecked a K 70 which a Swedish registration, which was running for over 25 years mainly in Germany. The owner, a Swedish lady, who works at IKEA, never had changed the registration, because insurance was cheaper than here, an the fees for the "bilprovning"-check were lower than the TÜV-test. So every two years she drove back two Sweden for the next technical test. @Alessando58: this is not really correct. These oval export-plates until 1987 and the successor Ausfuhrkennzeichen are for cars, bought in Germany, which will be exported after a while (at the actual plates, you can see the date on the orange bar on the side). This goes for all cars, which are running on the own axle for sure, not for export-cars, packed on a trailer or truck. Foreign Army-members have own plates for their private cars. In the past US-GI's had white plates with black letters in US-style and size with an "USA" at the top. For safety-reasons it was changed around 2000. Since then the GI's are getting German-style plates, starting with AD-, AF-, HK-, IF- - which ist not really intelligent, because you still can identify them as US-soldiers.  French, Dutch and Belgian soldiers, stationated here, have black plates with white letters, also in German style. But not the members of the British Rhine Army. They have regular German numbers or are still keeping the British plates. I don't know the exact details, but I'm sure, that the British soldiers don't have own plates. Due the IRA-terrorism in hte 80ies, some official vehicles, but not military ones, owned by the British Army itself, got regular German plates, for example school buses. Also not really useful - for sure everyone, who saw a RHD Leyland- or Dennis-bus, has immediately known, that it was owned by the RAF. |
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◊ 2010-01-17 17:13 |
It is really complex for foreign forces.. http://plaque.free.fr/trans/fd_f.html Quite funny to see they had all colors possible My ex-wife was working in Baden Baden for the french forces and bought for her personal use a little Renault. This car had blue plate |
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◊ 2010-01-17 23:31 |
Very interesting... Of course, even in Italy, since the late '90s the US forces have given up theyr previous "A.F.I." (American forces in Italy) plates of the same size of the American plates, for Italian plates. Thnk You to everybody. -- Last edit: 2010-01-17 23:32:07 |
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◊ 2010-01-18 12:57 |
@bref: ah, yes, I forgot the blue French-style-plates. So I have something mixed up: German soldiers, stationated in France, do have these black plates. I think, there are special "soldier-plates", too, for the members of the German Air Force-bases in Goose Bay/Canada and Alamogordo/New Mexico. As I know, they are made in American style. The official Bundeswehr-vehicles in Goose Bay have own numbers. The have the usual "Y"-number, too, but with only three or four ciphers, not six, as usual. |
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