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Neon ◊ 2009-02-25 22:26
kazimann ◊ 2010-06-01 13:31	Were these sold officially in continental Europe? They weren't sold here in Ireland (or the UK for that matter).
antp ◊ 2010-06-01 14:31	No, as far as I know. Here there was the Ford Galaxy (= VW Sharan) for that purpose.
kazimann ◊ 2010-06-01 15:19	Hmm, but if you look closely, it seems to have Euro headlights and the wide space at the back for European plates. -- Last edit: 2010-06-01 15:20:24
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2010-06-01 15:33	The tailgate is the same as on Windstars in the US. /vehicle_180767-Ford-Windstar-WIN88-1995.html
kazimann ◊ 2010-06-01 15:34	Gag Halfrunt a écrit The tailgate is the same as on Windstars in the US. /vehicle_180767-Ford-Windstar-WIN88-1995.html Still has Euro headlights though.
cl82 ◊ 2010-06-01 15:51	In the second half of the 1990s, the Windstar was indeed officially available through Ford-dealers in Germany. I even had an official sales-brochure for the Windstar which I gave away a couple of years ago to someone who collects them. Damn.
kazimann ◊ 2010-06-01 15:56	I doubt they sold well. Large petrol engined MPV in Europe, no thanks! They must have been put up against that god-awful Opel Sintra. Saw a Windstar here in Ireland before, but it was an American import. -- Last edit: 2010-06-01 15:57:57
cl82 ◊ 2010-06-01 16:08	You're right, they didn't sell well at all. I've only seen a handful of them over the years, for example one in 2004 on a junkyard, only 8 years old with no visible signs of damage, probably scrapped due to a grenaded engine for which these cars were infamous. It was a bit larger than the Galaxy, but far more expensive, and reliability and built-quality were even worse.
kazimann ◊ 2010-06-01 16:15	Model origin: USA Built in: Canada Made for: Germany (or EU?)
cibup ◊ 2010-06-09 12:54	In my opinion Made for Germany, because, was it sold in other european countries? (Not in Spain)
ingo ◊ 2010-06-09 13:32	I'm not sure, but it could be, that I saw one or two with Dutch plates, too. But they can be imported as used cars. Today, in the Schengen-times, this means not much. As cl82 wrote, a few of them were sold here. But they were never really popular (too expensive, too high fuel consuption, too unreliable technic). The last one, I've seen, stood on the junkyard, which I'm passing on my way to work.
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-07-01 00:12	ingo a écrit I'm not sure, but it could be, that I saw one or two with Dutch plates, too. But they can be imported as used cars. Today, in the Schengen-times, this means not much. As cl82 wrote, a few of them were sold here. But they were never really popular (too expensive, too high fuel consuption, too unreliable technic). The last one, I've seen, stood on the junkyard, which I'm passing on my way to work. I was researching this fact and I found that they must have sold pretty good because AutoScout has all model years built (1995 to 2004) for sale. Proof: Link to "www.autoscout24.eu"
ingo ◊ 2011-07-01 00:31	What a coincidence Just yesterday I saw in our village a colleague of /vehicle.php?id=405511 and http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/402/img0267yi.jpg/ - loaded with a demolished Windstar-wreck. -- Last edit: 2011-07-01 00:33:09
tonkatracker ◊ 2011-07-01 00:45	rtsbusman1997 a écrit I was researching this fact and I found that they must have sold pretty good because AutoScout has all model years built (1995 to 2004) for sale. Proof: Link to "www.autoscout24.eu" I wouldn't say that 83 cars (some of which were most likely from the US) is exactly proof that they sold well.
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-07-01 01:08	tonkatracker a écrit I wouldn't say that 83 cars (some of which were most likely from the US) is exactly proof that they sold well. Hmm,I see your point. But I was making the point that if all model years of the Windstar were sold in Europe, then they must have made a good niche in the market place because if it had not sold well, Ford would have withdrawn it from the market, seeing that is was a major dud.
ingo ◊ 2011-07-01 21:40	"Sold in Europe" means that you could order them on special request at specific, bigger Ford-dealers, which are able to offer selling and service for US-Fords. Normally none US-Ford appeared in the range-brochures and -lists, except some single times the Mustang. Not to forget, that a lot of US-spec cars in Europe were let back by GI's, stationated here.
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-07-01 21:59	ingo a écrit "Sold in Europe" means that you could order them on special request at specific, bigger Ford-dealers, which are able to offer selling and service for US-Fords. Normally none US-Ford appeared in the range-brochures and -lists, except some single times the Mustang. Not to forget, that a lot of US-spec cars in Europe were let back by GI's, stationated here. Well, surprisingly there were a lot of EU spec versions for sale, so I thought that it would make sense that they were sold in numbers in Europe, mostly in The Netherlands and Germany, where the streets are largely made for big cars and vans.
ingo ◊ 2011-07-01 22:09	Sorry, but you are a bit wrong In the Netherlands all streets and roads are very small and narrow. As the houses and private grounds, too. Very obvious, if you compare it to Germany. It's a small country, they cannot waste space. In the past the Dutch people had indeed averagely smaller cars, compared with the neighbours, especially the Germans. This changed very much in the 90ies, when all cars, older than 25 years became tax-free. After that, whole NL was flodded with older premium-size cars, often big Benzes (whose running costs became higher and higher in Germany. Only 30+ years older cars are cheaper to drive with the historic registration), many US-tankers, also bigger French classic like the Citroen DS, Peugeot 604, even the amount of Saabs increased there. There are some dealers, specialized in 25+ older, big cars. It has changed a lot, if I think back to our family-vacations in the 70ies in NL.
m.pfaffeneder ◊ 2011-07-01 22:35	@rtsbusman1997: The Windstar wasn´t a big success for Ford Europe. Although it´s a nice car in my opinion, it was to american for the European market. The bestseller in the van segment was and is the Galaxy. And nowadays the C-Max/S-Max of course.
ingo ◊ 2011-07-01 23:07	Randomly, just a few minutes ago, a fellow in my plate-collectors-forum, has posted a pic of a Ford Freestar, he had spotted nearby his home in Westphalia. He wrote, that for a short times, a very few Freestars were sold here. But the car on his pic had a plate for servicemen of the Canadian Army in Germany, so surely it doesn't belong to these few imports.
ingo ◊ 2011-07-01 23:26	This is the old-established Ford-dealer in my village: http://www.autohaus.ford.de/boewing The owner has a faible for the Mustang, uses even two of them as company-cars, has also sold some in the area, but the model doesn't appear in his range-list ("die Fahrzeuge"). Sometimes you can see here a few other US-Fords, mostly F-Series Pick Ups, sometimes an Explorer, all other are much rarer. You can get a quite usable impression about the spreading on the autoscout24-page, you have already used.
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-07-02 00:16	ingo a écrit Randomly, just a few minutes ago, a fellow in my plate-collectors-forum, has posted a pic of a Ford Freestar, he had spotted nearby his home in Westphalia. He wrote, that for a short times, a very few Freestars were sold here. But the car on his pic had a plate for servicemen of the Canadian Army in Germany, so surely it doesn't belong to these few imports. I'm surprised. The Freestar was a big disaster over here. No one barely brought because it was a major dud. Bad quality all around. A lot worse than the Windstar.
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2011-07-02 00:26	m.pfaffeneder a écrit @rtsbusman1997: The Windstar wasn´t a big success for Ford Europe. Although it´s a nice car in my opinion, it was to american for the European market. The bestseller in the van segment was and is the Galaxy. And nowadays the C-Max/S-Max of course. Not very shocking. Many Europeans hate American products and many Americans hate European products. I don't understand it. If it's good, it's good. If it sucks, it sucks. That's all to it.
m.pfaffeneder ◊ 2011-07-02 13:49	@ingo: The american Ford´s don´t appear on any Ford-dealer websites, as they aren´t sold here. Mustangs, F-150s ... are all imported by individuals.
mackster ◊ 2011-07-02 14:00	Two Swedish Ford Windstar brochures from 1995 and 1999 http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/ford/95wind/95wind.html http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/ford/wind/wind.html So officially sold in Sweden at least. -- Last edit: 2011-07-02 14:00:29
ingo ◊ 2011-07-02 16:55	m.pfaffeneder a écrit @ingo: The american Ford´s don´t appear on any Ford-dealer websites, as they aren´t sold here. Mustangs, F-150s ... are all imported by individuals. Sorry, but this is not really correct. Despite US-Fords aren't listed on the dealer's-pages and at Ford Deutschland, in fact they are available there. O.k., as I wrote: only at specific dealers and only on special personal request - but somehow you can get a new US-Ford there, incl. warranty and service-contract. It depends very much -only!- on the dealer itself. They aren't obliged by the headquarter to sell US-Cars. So our local Ford-garage, which I've linked above, is a good example. They are offering indeed the Mustang, even in different versions, even the Shelby you can buy there. By the only reason, that the garage-owner has a personal faible for them. Yes, a plenty of the other US-Fords, as the F-Series, Expedition etc., imports by private persons or special US-Car-dealers - but some of them were sold by official Ford-dealers, definetely. It's similar with the US-GM-products. In the past, in the 70ies and 80ies, a long time before many dealers took more and more different brands in their programme, as usual today, a sign for the availability of US-cars was, when an Opel-dealer had also the GM-logo on the roof. Same there, as at Ford dealers: the US-models didn't appear in their range-listing and the brochures weren't put on the displays, where the Opel-folders were placed. But on personal demand you could get the literature. And the cars, too. A former school-friend has told me about these practices. He was the chief-salesman of http://www.duerkop.de/filialen/hannover/ , already in the time, where they exclusively have sold Opel.
m.pfaffeneder ◊ 2011-07-02 19:15	@ingo: Yes, of course Ford dealers are also selling US Fords, but actually there aren´t sold in Germany. The dealers import the cars, if someone likes to buy one, and then they have got warranty and service-contracts as well. Furthermore they convert it for the European standards. The Ford dealership where I will do my apprenticeship sells also Mustangs. A few months ago, he had a 2010 Shelby Mustang GT 500 in his showroom.
robi ◊ 2013-04-09 12:50	24.03 24.05 25.04 25.06 26.01 26.07 -- Last edit: 2015-05-19 16:42:31
opal ◊ 2013-04-09 18:54	...
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2013-04-10 02:36	I know (Think 24.03 survives.)
robi ◊ 2013-04-10 14:30	24.03 does not get crashed, but damaged.
Gamer ◊ 2013-04-10 15:37	I somehow like Windstars. That makes three of us....
ingo ◊ 2013-04-10 16:19	If you want to have one, hurry on, until the last one is crushed: Link to "suchen.mobile.de" Noone keeps them. -- Last edit: 2013-04-10 16:20:06
S 415 GT ◊ 2013-04-10 16:28	It also has high road-tax. The 148hp Windstar has a 3.0 V6, while the 145hp Galaxy has only a 2.3 engine.
ingo ◊ 2013-04-10 16:39	And it was always known as unreliable and made in bad quality (rattling, cheap interior and so on)
antp ◊ 2013-04-10 18:05	robi a écrit 24.03 does not get crashed, but damaged. I doubt it would be repaired
Purzel89 ◊ 2015-11-19 01:53	robi a écrit 24.05 Exactly the same car was used after the filming of that episode for "112 - Sie retten dein Leben". You can see that they miserably fixed the damage. Its damaged in "112" even before the crash: /vehicle.php?id=864711
rtsbusman1997 ◊ 2015-11-19 04:15	It looks like they may have used one of many doubles for "112 - Sie retten dein Leben" since the van that crashed would have been undriveable without extensive work.

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