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1910 Gräf & Stift 28/32 HP Doppel Phaeton

1910 Gräf & Stift 28/32 HP in The First World War, Documentary, 2003 IMDB

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: AH

1910 Gräf & Stift 28/32 HP Doppel Phaeton

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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sixcyl FR

2008-11-01 11:38

[Image: torpedocaqe1.5590.jpg]

One of the famous car of the History ... the Gräft und Stift of the "Archiduc François Ferdinand d'Autriche" killed with his wife in Sarajevo in June 28th of 1914 ... event who start with the 1st big butchery in the history with 8 500 000 death [Image: grr.gif]

BeanBandit FI

2008-11-01 15:17

Österreich-Ungarns Erzherzog Franz Ferdinand und Herzogin Sophie, in German.

Ingo DE

2008-11-01 17:18

Different than in France and Belgium, in Germany the WWI is nowadays more and more unknown, the WWII is more in the minds. Because it was not so long ago and it had much more relations to the following life of the German citizens.

Are any veterans of the WWI still alive? The last German died this year, followed a few weeks later by the last Austrian.

greybear EN

2008-11-01 17:31

In Britain one soldier and one sailor who fought in WWI are still alive.

chicomarx BE

2008-11-01 18:07

Yes, amazingly two English veterans still living:

Allingham, Henry William (112)
Patch, Henry John (Harry) (110)

Henry William Allingham, 6 June 1896, Number 12 Squadron RNAS.
The last known survivor of the Battle of Jutland. Is the oldest European man.
Allingham famously credits "cigarettes, whisky and wild, wild women—and a good sense of humour" for his longevity.

The last French veteran died last March at 110.

BeanBandit FI

2008-11-01 19:11

Finland did not take part of the 1st World War, but there was a bloody civil war in January to May 1918, where Germans and Russians were meddling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War
There's still one surviving veteran, Aarne Arvonen, 111.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aarne_Arvonen

Jale PL

2009-12-23 20:22

According to Wikipedia it's 1911 Gräf & Stift Bois de Boulogne tourer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FranzFerdinandCar.jpg

somename US

2011-08-30 20:21

Currently at the Heeresgeschichtliches Museum: http://www.hgm.or.at/sarajevo.html?&L=1

chicomarx BE

2011-08-31 21:25

[Image: Franz_Ferdinand_Automobile_AB.jpg]

chicomarx BE

2011-08-31 23:39

sixcyl wrote [Image: torpedocaqe1.5590.jpg]

That convertible top is hiding something... The leather back seat should be visible.

G-MANN UK

2012-07-02 20:23

This site has the Austria-Hungary flag but still not the Nazi Germany flag :think:

andrepa DE

2013-05-25 15:02

greybear wrote In Britain one soldier and one sailor who fought in WWI are still alive.

yes, have heard of them in german TV!

andrepa DE

2013-05-25 15:12

G-MANN wrote This site has the Austria-Hungary flag but still not the Nazi Germany flag :think:

1871 - 1919 black/white/red stripes only would be more appropriate
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Empire
Wiki uses it in article about WWI

Andre Malraux

2013-05-25 15:19

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Ingo DE

2013-05-25 15:32

@Andre: we had this discussions several times - but noone of the admins around here is able to understand, that the actual German flag, the black-red-gold one, is correct and authentic only for vehicles from 1949 onwards and for 1919-1933. [:kiki]
From 1933-1945 the Nazi-Swastica is correct, before 1919 the old emperor's flag (black-white-red): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Germany . During the emperor's time and the Nazi-time, the black-red-gold flag were even strictly forbidden, so to use it for all German vehicles here, is definitely wrong! :o
Otherwise, if you act that -historically correctly- strictly, the DDR-flag http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_East_Germany.svg can only be used for post-1959 vehicles :think:

Ingo DE

2013-05-25 15:40

greybear wrote In Britain one soldier and one sailor who fought in WWI are still alive.

Still today? Recently I've read, that they died, and that one old lady can be seen as the last veteran of WWI. She worked as a waitress-girl in a officer's club, but was an employee of the Royal Army, so she could be accepted.

Some years ago there was a TV-reportage about the last veteran of the German Colonial Empire (pre-1919). It was a 103-year-old man from Tanzania, who had worked as a boy-servant for the gouverneur. He still got the official pension-money from Germany, continiously since 1919. The contracts were still vaild.

andrepa DE

2013-05-25 16:15

ingo wrote
My grandfather told me, when he was in school from 1919 onwards, there where two groups fighting each other under the black/white/red imperial banner and black/red/gold republican flag, with Nazi flag unknown yet! My favorite goof concerning flag usage is /movie.php?id=59549
where they use post 1949 together with imperial war flag at german border in 1944

-- Last edit: 2013-05-25 16:17:50

antp BE

2013-05-27 17:52

ingo wrote but noone of the admins around here is able to understand

None of the admins can do anything about that, actually.
In the next version of the site there is handling for year-based flags, so maybe I'll add that for the German flag (though that some people may be "offended" by the use of the correct one)

-- Last edit: 2013-05-27 17:52:28

chicomarx BE

2013-05-27 18:38

antp wrote though that some people may be "offended" by the use of the correct one

You can always issue the following statement: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVG1q49yPaY

Ingo DE

2013-05-28 19:29

antp wrote (though that some people may be "offended" by the use of the correct one)

Well, being offended or not (in Germany it's even forbidden and will be prosecuted to show the swastica in the public) is not the question. It's the historical fact, that this flag belongs to that time.

antp BE

2013-05-29 11:24

ingo wrote in Germany it's even forbidden and will be prosecuted to show the swastica in the public

OK so I have the choice to make the site historically right or German-legal, but not both ? :o

-- Last edit: 2013-05-29 11:24:44

Ingo DE

2013-05-29 12:16

Being historically right is more important. Don't give a sh*t on regulations.

somename US

2014-07-14 21:50

Link to "blog.hemmings.com"
Link to "blog.hemmings.com"

-- Last edit: 2014-08-28 21:45:25

Gamer DE

2022-07-27 15:17

Mass change to 28/32 HP.

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