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1969 Volkswagen 411 [Typ 4] 
Ep. 1Catégorie : Voitures, Berline — Origine du modèle : 
![1969 Volkswagen 411 [Typ 4]](i192846.jpg)
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◊ 2008-09-25 18:42 |
I know opinions about it, but somehow I like these cars.  |
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◊ 2008-09-25 21:22 |
It's the very first version summer 1968-summer 1969. Only the it had these lamps. I own a VW-internal seller's guide of 1970 about selling the K 70 besides the 411. No kidding, they told their salesmen, not to present the K 70 as a modern car. Not too many words about its trunk-size, the heating-system, the chassis-conzeption, etc. The reason: if the K 70 would have been shown more postive, they would have had problems to sell the 411. |
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◊ 2008-09-28 19:02 |
Why they didn't want to replace the 411 by K70 - bigger costs of the production? On the other hand VW produced both of them for some time. Another one with these headlights, ep. 3 * : ![[Image: snapshot20080904100908ai3.8976.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is218/snapshot20080904100908ai3.8976.jpg) -- Last edit: 2008-09-28 19:03:59 |
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◊ 2008-09-28 23:30 |
There were several reasons. At first the 411 was a VW-creation, the K 70 only a "step-child". The own ideas you always like more than foreign ones (even if the people have loughed about the 411, when it was released. Too old-fashioned, still Typ 1-based, a sort of "monster-Beetle") Mentional things had a big influence, too. Until the early 70ies, until VW had been very very close to a bankruptcy -caused by total old fashioned car-technology and wrong cars for the modern times- a real VW-person only accepted an aircooled engine in the back. They weren't able to think about something else. Just read 1970+ "Gute Fahrt"-issues (a magazine for VW-drivers). You'll recover the strangest opinions of the VW-fixed writers and readers. The cars, they had saved VW its existence, weren't orign made VW's. The Passat was nothing more than a Audi 80 Fastback, the Polo a rebadged Audi 50 (planned originally as successor for the NSU Prinz), the K 70 was a NSU. Indeed, the K 70 was "too high-tech" for an old VW-mechanic. They couldn't handle the Solex 40 DDHT-carburator at the most of the other technic, too (but they weren't unable to manage the fuel injection-system of the 1600 LE and 411 LE either) And yes, the K 70 wasn't a simple made car. The body has much more parts than a four-door-Passat (you see it, when you wreck both cars on the same time), also in orign the K 70 had parts of a higher value (chrome-trims made by V2a-steel, not only aluminium or painted plastic), etc. The (Audi- and NSU-typical) bumpers, made by V2a-steel were cancelled by beginning of the productions. If you compare a 1970/71 K 70 with a 1974/75-version, you can clearly see, that VW has tried along the whole production-time, to make the car cheaper in its production. A plenty of parts were "pimped down". But it hadn't helped. VW had made a profit with the K 70 - but only 13 D-Mark (nowadays ca.6,66 Euro) per every car. |
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◊ 2008-09-28 23:36 |
There's a saying in English for this, "not invented here". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_invented_here |
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◊ 2008-09-29 21:55 |
And on the 411/412 they earned more? Well maybe indeed yes - was more common. This "not invented here" explains a lot, but hard to believe that serious managers can think in this way. I've heard that the public opinion somehow "forced" VW to start the K70's production, because it aroused the big interest when was originally shown as NSU (?). |
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◊ 2008-09-30 00:03 |
Yes. It was the non-produced-carm where the most articles were written about. It was really "grumbled into the serial production". It was one of the VW's with the lowest production-numbers - but for NSU it would have been "too big". NSU never could make the numbers of produced car to survive i nthe middle-class-segment. NSU had an identical destiny as BMW around 1960 and Glas some years later: only small cars in the range (lower prices, no big profits), together with big high-tech premium cars (high prices, but not enough selling for getting money), but nothin between them. sooner or later this caused worst problems. BMW could survive with the new relaesed 1500/1800/2000, but Glas and NSU weren't able to to same things. |
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◊ 2008-09-30 00:07 |
Aaah, forget too much realistic thinking by car-industry-CEO's. Look at the idiot of F.Piech at Volkswagen. He still is crazy fot this total flop of the Phaeton. The cannot sell them, but it must be still produced, because Mr.Piech wants it. A good tip for later on: you will "shoot" good Phaeton's for ridicilous prices as used cars. Even now it's cheap to get. The times will come, where a Phaeton will cost the same as a same-aged Golf in similar condition. Just wait a little bit. |
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◊ 2008-09-30 00:35 |
And it does not even look luxury enough to be destroyed in movies, like the Jaguar XJ, another cheap old car |
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◊ 2008-09-30 00:52 |
Perhaps the lads from Alarm für Cobra 11 will blow up Phaetons but disguise them as Audis. .gif ":)") |
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