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ce1.3 ◊ 2010-12-07 01:30	Viva trabant Viva
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 01:39	More like Moskvitch Trabant VW - no Vauxhalls to be seen.
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 16:08	Hrrmmphh, don't you know the song? Link to "www.youtube.com" ce1.3 is referring the forgotten original -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 16:09:16
DynaMike ◊ 2010-12-07 16:21	Da hast Du wirklich geglaubt, daß Dsl's Bemerkung ernst gemeint war ?
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 16:35	Aber nein, bei seinen Kommentaren doch nicht. cough We should be so polite, to remark in English, that we're tattling about dsl's comment
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 16:48	Quote "Nobody who owned a Vauxhall Viva - the Trabant of the Western world - ......." from Link to "www.telegraph.co.uk" .
Weasel1984 ◊ 2010-12-07 16:55	In Eisenach was produced Wartburg, not Trabant.
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 16:59	The "Telegraph" is writing bullshit - the Trabant was never made in Eisenach. There the Wartburg and decades ago EMW and BMW were built The Trabant was cobbled in a plant, which has seen much better times - and lightyears-better products, assembled in it: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sachsenring_%28Unternehmen%29 In Zwickau, the old "Horch"-factory. Sometimes it's said, that Volkswagen took over the Trabant-factory for the Polo-production, but this is not really correct either. The VW-plant was new built, in Zwickau-Mosel, already in DDR-times, for producing VW-engines (some of these engines were tamped into the 1989 Wartburg 1.3 and the 1990 Trabant 1.1 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagenwerk_Zwickau @Weasel: -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 17:00:36
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 17:04	ingo wrote The "Telegraph" is writing bullshit it usually does, but the crosswords and football coverage are good. -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 17:04:37
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 17:08	It's not uninteresting to refer about the history of car-production-plants. Just a short brainstorming, before I look into my literature: Oh, something new for me at first: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW-Werk_Dingolfing There it's said, that Rolls Royce-body-shells were produced in the former Glas-factory So /vehicle_323865-Glas-Goggomobil-TS-1957.html = /vehicle_206105-Rolls-Royce-Phantom.html Also: - Borgward (Bremen) - today Mercedes Benz (started with the W201, later C-Klasse and T-Modelle, at least all Estate-versions - DKW (Düsseldorf) - today Mercedes Benz (Sprinter) - NSU (Neckarsulm) - today Audi (A6, A8, in the past A2 and some more)
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 17:17	ingo wrote It's not uninteresting to refer about the history of car-production-plants. Agreed. Several UK car factories started as emergency WW2 aeroplane factories - eg Rootes at Ryton, outside Coventry, which ended up as Peugeot assembly. My favourite - discussed 2-3 months ago - is the Citroen UK assembly plant at Slough, now the site of Mars Bar production.
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 17:25	dsl wrote it usually does, but the crosswords and football coverage are good. So in Britain there are the same lame subterfuges, as we have Millions of Germans are saying, that they read http://www.bild.de/ only because of the football-results and the weather-forecast. For any strange reason there is still the page-3-girl in it, although noone has ever looked at her. Oh, and it's worth to read http://www.playboy.de/ because the interviews with stars are premium quality. Sure, very understandable. Btw. My education by 1968-involved parents has caused one result. Never ever in my life I've bought just one "BILD". Only two times (in 1987 and 1995) an "Auto BILD" and maybe three or four "Auto BILD Klassik" (sure, only that ones with K 70-related articles). And for that I have a own subterfuge (cancel "subterfuge", say "good reason"): I know the Auto BILD-journalists from times, when they worked for other classic car-magazines
Sandie ◊ 2010-12-07 17:28	The Telegraph however, is meant to be a 'quality' newspaper. Bild is a bit like our Sun, Star or Mirror newspapers. Perhaps the greatest of all our newspapers is the Daily Mail: http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/toys/dailymail/ Oh and another similar link: http://dailymailoncology.tumblr.com/ -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 17:29:58
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 17:34	ingo wrote Millions of Germans are saying, that they read http://www.bild.de/ only because of the football-results Quote: "I always turn to the sports page first, which records people's accomplishments. The front page has nothing, but man's failures." - Earl Warren.
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 17:39	Quote from BBC comedy series "Yes Minister" - an older joke, but neatly delivered: Hacker: I know exactly who reads the papers: The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country; The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country; The Times is read by the people who actually do run the country; The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people run the country; Financial Times is read by people who own the country; The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country; And the Daily Telegraph is read by the people who think it is. Humphrey: Right Prime Minister, and what about the people who read The Sun? Bernard: Sun readers don’t care who runs the country, so long as she’s got big tits.
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 17:43	dsl wrote Agreed. Several UK car factories started as emergency WW2 aeroplane factories - eg Rootes at Ryton, outside Coventry, which ended up as Peugeot assembly. My favourite - discussed 2-3 months ago - is the Citroen UK assembly plant at Slough, now the site of Mars Bar production. Oouugh, it will be a hard work to check all http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Ehemaliger_Automobilhersteller - these 200 (of total 2645) are only in the chapter A... -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 17:52:48
Sandie ◊ 2010-12-07 17:44	@dsl: Yes, Minister on the EU: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Xvy1r4Pm8 Great show. -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 17:45:20
Gomselmash11 ◊ 2010-12-07 17:45	ingo wrote Oouugh, it will be a hard work to check all http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategorie:Ehemaliger_Automobilhersteller - these 200 are only in the chapter A... WTF! Incredible
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 17:46	ingo wrote Oouugh, it will be a hard work to check all - these 200 are only in the chapter A... Good luck. We look forward to the results - will you have finished by October 2013?
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 17:50	dsl wrote Quote from BBC comedy series "Yes Minister" for this reminder - is it availably on DVD? A good idea for a Christmas-wish. I loved this series back in the 80ies, the English version we even had used in our English-lessons in school Yes, I've heard this quote about British newspapers before. It's even in one of our Scotland-traveller-books, if I'm not wrong also in that book: Link to "www.christoph-links-verlag.de" (subtitle: "An approach to maverick relatives" )
cl82 ◊ 2010-12-07 17:51	@ingo: Just a small addition: Neckarsulm also produces the R8, all that pointless RS-stuff and even the A4 as the capacity in Ingolstadt isn't sufficient enough.
Sandie ◊ 2010-12-07 17:54	@ ingo: Link to "www.amazon.co.uk" It gets shown a lot in schools and universities here too. I remember seeing the clip on the EU when I was doing a course on the EU.
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 17:55	dsl wrote Good luck. We look forward to the results - will you have finished by October 2013? A direct question to our proud Scotsmen (@Sandie, too )here: were there any origin Scottish car-companies?
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 17:58	ingo wrote for this reminder - is it availably on DVD? Yes in UK at least Link to "www.amazon.co.uk" but check DVD Region compatibility. @Sandie - agree a great series, but it always makes me think of Basil Brush.
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 18:08	Link to "www.amazon.de"
Sandie ◊ 2010-12-07 18:20	I couldn't really think of anything beyond the Rootes group factory in Paisley (even then they were still based in Coventry) but I found this: Link to "www.bbc.co.uk"
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 18:31	ingo wrote A direct question to our proud Scotsmen (@Sandie, too were there any origin Scottish car-companies? Rootes at Linwood was the only large production site - built for the Imp range, later assembled Hunters, Avengers and Chrysler Sunbeam. Now mainly demolished and a retail park/trading estate. Some Scottish car companies in early 1900s onwards - most began with A for some reason. [1] Argyll - built at Alexandria, west of Glasgow 1899-1914. Impressive factory front preserved as a shopping arcade. [2] Arrol-Johnston - 1895-1931, near Glasgow [3] Albion 1899-1914 (cars), and commercial vehicles until 1972. Glasgow. Absorbed by Leyland, with lorry production continuing at Bathgate until 1990s(?) when plant closed. Albion is a posh Victorian name for England, so an odd choice in Scotland. [4] Galloway - 1920s, Dumfries (also famous for ingo's favourite beers) - factory had more women employees as %age than any other Scottish factory and was managed by a woman. [5] There was some very small scale 1980s production at Lochgilphead in Argyll - I can't find details immediately, but I think it revived the Argyll car name for some mid-engined sports cars, possibly also called Ecosse. [6] And possibly a similarly short-lived enterprise called Strathcarron in 1990s - Lotus Elise-like lightweight cars but with motorbike engines??? Maybe others, but can't think of any at the moment.
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 18:36	ingo wrote Link to "www.amazon.de" 21.99 euros + 3 euros postage seems OK??? (try the Neu button, not Amazon's own direct item).
Sandie ◊ 2010-12-07 18:43	I remember the Strathcarron but never realised it was built up here. Link with more details and pics: http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/strathcarron.htm It became the Javan: http://www.javansportscars.com/ Website not updated in last two years so perhaps once again defunct. -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 18:43:34
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 18:43	dsl wrote Albion is a posh Victorian name for England Known on the Continent mostly in this association: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion A propos: this term Link to "de.wikipedia.org" was also common on beer-steins of WWI-reservists. I just read at Wikipedia, that there even was a complemetar close back then: "Gott strafe England" "Er strafe es"
Sandie ◊ 2010-12-07 18:49	Some stuff I found on the Argyle GT Turbo: http://www.carfolio.com/specifications/models/car/?car=25014 http://www.motorbase.com/auctionlot/by-id/1895565220/ Also: AC made the 3000ME near Glasgow for 1 year according to here: http://www.ac3000me.com/ac3000me_history.htm
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 18:53	dsl wrote Rootes at Linwood was the only large production site - built for the Imp range, later assembled Hunters, Avengers and Chrysler Sunbeam. Now mainly demolished and a retail park/trading estate. Some Scottish car companies in early 1900s onwards - most began with A for some reason. [1] Argyll - built at Alexandria, west of Glasgow 1899-1914. Impressive factory front preserved as a shopping arcade. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyll_%28car%29 [2] Arrol-Johnston - 1895-1931, near Glasgow Not in the Wikipedia-list, but found there anyways: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrol-Johnston [3] Albion 1899-1914 (cars), and commercial vehicles until 1972. Glasgow. Absorbed by Leyland, with lorry production continuing at Bathgate until 1990s(?) when plant closed. Albion is a posh Victorian name for England, so an odd choice in Scotland. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albion_Motors [4] Galloway - 1920s, Dumfries (also famous for ingo's favourite beers) - factory had more women employees as %age than any other Scottish factory and was managed by a woman. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrol-Johnston [5] There was some very small scale 1980s production at Lochgilphead in Argyll - I can't find details immediately, but I think it revived the Argyll car name for some mid-engined sports cars, possibly also called Ecosse. It was located in London http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecosse (only German text), it's written, that it took over AC "from Glasgow" According Wikipedia AC was from Sussex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Cars Oops, a very confusing company-history. [6] And possibly a similarly short-lived enterprise called Strathcarron in 1990s - Lotus Elise-like lightweight cars but with motorbike engines??? Not an own article, but listed here: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_von_Automobilmarken Maybe others, but can't think of any at the moment. -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 18:56:01
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 18:59	Before Sir Admin is getting not amused about the slightly off-topic direction, something for his besoothing: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Fils_et_Compagnie Does any other IMCDB-member have the honour to have an own car-company? The most informations about are in Dutch: http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_%28bedrijf%29 -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 19:01:54
Sandie ◊ 2010-12-07 19:02	More stuff on the AC Ecosse Signature (According to here it was guilt in Knebworth, Herts - Famous Concert/Gig venue) : http://www.ac3000me.com/information/ecosse_signature.htm AC is a very confusing company. It has been in many different forms over the years in various parts of Surrey and as we've just found out between ourselves Scotland. More recently they developed an ambitious plan to extend their product range (I remember an unproduced Coupe called 'Mamba') and at a lower price in Malta or somewhere like that. Needless to say it failed. Last heard of producing cars in Germany (I believe the same concern was planning on reviving TVR)
Sandie ◊ 2010-12-07 19:05	In fairness for once we have wandered off topic about cars (admittedly via newspapers and TV comedy) which is slightly less bad than some similar past ramblings. Of perhaps most concern is the fact I should really be doing some work... -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 19:06:11
ingo ◊ 2010-12-07 19:15	The German Wiki says: "Bekannt ist die Automarke heute vor allem durch den Klassiker AC Cobra, einen stark motorisierten offenen Sportwagen, der von 1962 bis 1966 gemeinsam mit Carroll Shelby und Unterstützung von Ford produziert wurde und noch heute als Replik in zahlreichen Varianten gebaut wird. Seit 1984 gestaltete sich die Entwicklung der Marke unübersichtlich: Mehrfach wechselten die Besitzer und der Firmensitz, zunächst in moderne Produktionshallen auf dem Areal der ehemaligen Brooklands-Rennstrecke, dann 2001 nach Frimley in Surrey/England, 2004 weiter nach Guildford in der Normandie/Frankreich und 2005 nach Hal Far, Malta, wo die Produktionshallen 2008 geschlossen wurden. Seit 2009 liegen die Rechte zur Nutzung des Markennamens „AC“ (jedoch nicht für die Modellbezeichnung Cobra) bei der neugegründeten Firma „AC Cars by Gullwing GmbH“ mit Sitz in Hirschstein-Heyda in Sachsen." short translation: - mainly known for the AC Cobra, which was made between 1962 to 1966 with supporting by Ford. There are still many replicas in production. - after 1984 a very confusing history, several owners and headquarters - at first in some halls on the former Brooklands-area - 2001 Frimley/Surrey - 2004 moved to Guildford/Normandie - 2005 moved to Hal Far/Malta, plant closed in 2008 - since 2009 the copyright for "AC", but not for "Cobra" is owned by the new founded company "AC Cars by Gullwing GmbH" in Hirschstein-Heyda in Saxony/Germany. To avoid unhappy comments by admins a) we can use/copy this latest discussion for the constantly recurring discussions, when any AC, an AC-derivate or AC-copy is listed. b) The new owners of AC, resp. its name re located nearby the former "VEB Sachsenring" - so we took the circle again to the car, for which this thread is originally c) both are plastic-cars (o.k., the Trabant-body is not classic plastic, it contained a cotton-phenol-mixture http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duroplast ) P.S.Is it already in production or it's only some announcement? http://www.accars.de/ -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 19:26:51
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 19:17	Yes AC was Sussex-based (Thames Ditton??) for majority of its life through most of 20th century. Scottish production of ME3000 was an outside attempt to revive production of this design when AC closed. BTW I've read - but can't confirm - that AC sold more invalid carriages than all their other models combined - urban myth or true?? They also made the electric carriages for Southend Pier http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southend_Pier the longest pier in the world. I went in 1977 and the carriages then had footplates in the doorways announcing that they'd been made by AC. Some other Scottish makes: [7] Scamp - 1960s. Small Peel-like cars but battery powered, built at Prestwick by Scottish Aviation. Originally intended to be sold through Electricity Board showrooms (SCottish + AMP for electricity). Collapsed after about 12 made. [8] Rotor Motive - 1980s, Rutherglen, near Glasgow. Elise 340R-like trackday and racing cars. Several types, not many actually made. [9] Scot-Track - Nairn, 1990s. Tracked Argocat-like ATVs, eg Hillcat. Current info unknown. [10] Applied Sweepers - Falkirk. Since late 1960s - specialised industrial and road sweepers. No current info. Edit: 5 more. [11] Parabug - Tullos, Aberdeenshire. Imagine a cross between a Mini Moke and a beach buggy. Early 1970s and I think VW-based. [12] Potts - Bellshill, Lanarkshire. 1950s, some racing cars. No more info. [13] Probe - Irvine, Ayrshire. 1970s - a few Marcos-related/Adams design sports cars. Info uncertain, but http://www.probe2001.com/ suggests a possible attempt in Edinburgh as well. [14] Haldane - Blantyre, then East Kilbride. 1988-94. Austin Healey 3000 lookalikes. [15] Beardmore - 1919-28 - 3 factories in and around Glasgow - cars and taxis. And to update earlier references, Arrol-Johnston and Galloway were bought up and merged in 1928 to become Arrol-Aster in Dumfries, but only lasted to 1931. -- Last edit: 2010-12-07 19:58:00
dsl ◊ 2010-12-07 19:28	Sandie wrote I remember the Strathcarron but never realised it was built up here. Have followed your links without finding a Scottish connection, so I could be wrong to suggest made in Scotland. The name may in fact be the only Scottish element......
chris40 ◊ 2010-12-07 20:10	I don't think there was a Scottish connection as such. I suspect the name had to do with David, Lord Strathcarron, a well-known amateur racing driver and journalist; I once (rather incompetently) pit-crewed for him at Silverstone, IIRC at a BARC meeting. Nice man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Macpherson,_2nd_Baron_Strathcarron
ingo ◊ 2010-12-08 16:12	To continue the thoughts above, we've forgot the most important reason, why men are buying magazines with ahem open-hearted content? Magazines like these: For just one main reason: the car-test-articles!
130rapid ◊ 2011-07-14 18:04	Has September 1967+ wheelcovers. -- Last edit: 2012-06-02 17:37:45

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