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1953 Toyopet Super [RHN]

1953 Toyopet Super [RHN] in Jigoku, Movie, 1960

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin:

1953 Toyopet Super [RHN]

Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

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Gongora ◊ 2021-02-19 02:47	It was already damaged before the crash.They wreck a 7-year-old car. Why did cars last so little time in Japan? -- Last edit: 2021-02-19 02:47:59
jnglmpera ◊ 2021-02-19 03:05	Gongora wrote Why did cars last so little time in Japan? Cars from back then were not so reliable and were often times more abused than their modern contemporaries on top of that, which was one of the main reasons why up until the mid-60s~70s Japanese people desired to ride in American models as they were more reliable. As for modern cars, I guess there still is a stigma against older cars, which is why so much perfectly functioning 10-ish year old cars get shipped off to NZ or Dubai if not junked outright.
Gongora ◊ 2021-02-19 03:12	I understand that this can happen in rich countries, but Spain and Japan were relatively poor countries in the 50s and here in Spain, many cars from the 30s were seen until very late in the 60s. However, in Japan in the movies of the 50s and 60s it is difficult to see cars with more than 5 years old
jnglmpera ◊ 2021-02-19 05:28	Gongora wrote I understand that this can happen in rich countries, but Spain and Japan were relatively poor countries in the 50s and here in Spain, many cars from the 30s were seen until very late in the 60s. However, in Japan in the movies of the 50s and 60s it is difficult to see cars with more than 5 years old There were some 30s cars that were still around according to witnesses of the time in Japan too (with photographic evidence to back their claims up), but very few made it past the 1950s, let alone up to the 70s when the concept of "classic cars" started to become a thing here. -- Last edit: 2021-02-19 05:29:28
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2021-02-19 11:33	Spain stayed out of the Second World War. Japanese cities were devastated by firebombing and, of course, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The 1930s cars still on the road in the 1950s would have had to survive the war and probably many years without proper care or maintenance. IIRC Japan developed a very strict roadworthiness inspection system because of the poor quality of Japanese cars in the 1950s and 1960s. I don't know whether this is true, but the Wikipedia article says that the system is intended to make people buy new cars instead of keeping old ones. Quote In reality a major driving force behind the inspection system is to encourage the purchase of new automobiles, as the system effectively represents an additional tax on used car ownership. Even owners of a perfectly maintained vehicle can expect to pay 100,000 yen (US $899) for a two-year inspection, and requirements are even stricter for vehicles over 10 years old leading to an extremely high effective tax rate. This is in contrast to vehicle tax regimes in other developed countries, where the tax or registration fee is based on the current market value of the vehicle, meaning older vehicles have a lower tax burden. The Japanese automobile industry has been a long-time supporter of the ruling Liberal Democratic Party coalition and it is highly unlikely the policy will be revisited in the near future. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-vehicle_inspection_(Japan) The availability of cheap, young used cars in turn caused the used car export trade to develop. Quote Despite the high cost of transport, the sale of used cars and other vehicles to other countries is still profitable due to the relatively low cost and good condition of the vehicles being purchased. Contributing factors to the feasibility of such export include Japan's strict motor-vehicle inspections and high depreciation which make such vehicles worth very little in Japan after six years, and strict environmental-protection regulations that make vehicle disposal very expensive in Japan. Japan has very stringent vehicle emission test standards. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_used_vehicle_exporting -- Last edit: 2021-04-18 13:18:25
Gongora ◊ 2021-02-19 12:44	[quote=jnglmpera] There were some 30s you're right ,I see some Datsun 17s in various photos from the 50s
Gongora ◊ 2021-02-19 13:08	Gag Halfrunt wrote Spain stayed out of the Second World War. Japanese cities were devastated by firebombing and, of course, the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The 1930s cars still on the road in the 1950s would have had to survive the war and probably many years without proper care or maintenance. IIRC Japan developed a very strict roadworthiness inspection system because of the poor quality of Japanese cars in the 1950s and 1960s. I don't know whether this is true, but the Wikipedia article says that the system is intended to make people buy new cars instead of keeping old ones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor-vehicle_inspection_(Japan) The availability of cheap, young used cars in turn caused the used car export trade to develop. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_used_vehicle_exporting Wow , thank you very mutch for this info ,I did not know it!!...that explains eveything...True Spain stayed out in second world war but in the Civilian war (1936-1939)a large number of cars were destroyed
Jnglmpera ◊ 2021-02-19 13:47	Gag_Halfrunt wrote IIRC Japan developed a very strict roadworthiness inspection system because of the poor quality of Japanese cars in the 1950s and 1960s. I don't know whether this is true, but the Wikipedia article says that the system is intended to make people buy new cars instead of keeping old ones. Thanks for reminding me I have to dish out a thousand USD to pass my Civic's JCI this year, and the fact I pay more taxes for driving a 12+yo car instead of a shiny new Prius -- Last edit: 2021-02-19 13:48:59
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2021-02-19 13:57	I have to spend £470 per year until the car’s sixth year for the privilege of using the pothole strewn roads, plus £56 for the annual test, and £500 for the annual servicing of my 3 year old Mercédès. This year I did fewer than 3,000 miles. After year 5 the road tax drops to about £180. This is because the list price of the car was over £40k. The fact that I got a large discount is not relevant, although brand new, the car was an obsolete model, so I got £7k off. So the British system actually encourages you not to buy new cars. -- Last edit: 2021-02-19 16:15:39
dhill_cb7 ◊ 2021-02-19 14:09	MY ‘93 [CB7] doesn’t have to pass emissions; only safety inspection due to the mileage. I am now allowed to re-register it every other year. I think I pay 78 for two years and inspection is 29.99 for safety (if nothing is wrong). And no I’m not getting rid of it
GodzillaFan54 ◊ 2021-04-16 05:45	Upon watching the movie and by proxy this scene, I doubt it's the same vehicle pre and post crash. The car crashes into a pole with only the left headlight and everything below it hitting the pole, camera holds on the shot just long enough to see the car looks just fine (since the "crash" was just running into a pole at 25mph) and then it suddenly cuts to a close-up of the car, now heavily damaged? I think that they swapped the taxi with an identical car of the same make, model, and color that was in worse shape (hence the exposed rust post crash) and the post-crash car obviously has damage more likely the result of a collision with another car. This video makes it obvious they switched the cars. https://youtu.be/Dl-0Q3mQCKA?t=1066 -- Last edit: 2021-04-16 05:46:21
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2021-04-16 09:40	I do not see how a car can be “just fine” after hitting a pole (telephone?) at 25mph. I hit a lamp standard at less than that speed, my VW Beetle was written off.
GodzillaFan54 ◊ 2021-04-16 14:29	25 mph was too high a number, my bad. It was more going the speed one would go down a driveway with a turn, just slowly enough for little to no damage to occur but the point is the car crashes into a tree, the shot hangs for a little over a second post-crash and in the next shot the car clearly has a lot more damage than before. Maybe they could have crashed the car into it multiple times behind the scenes. A continuity error nonetheless. -- Last edit: 2021-04-16 14:33:59
Gongora ◊ 2021-04-16 14:57	It's true that this image caught my attention, because the car looks really good after the first crash. However, I don't think they are two different cars ... they are identical and in 1960 it was not such a common model to find an exact model of the same color and with the same paint wear. I think they realized that with that blow, a person could not die and they decided to hit it with a mallet or something like that ... You are absolutely right about the rust ... it seems like a long time passed since the blow ... it is very rare
Gongora ◊ 2021-04-16 14:59	johnfromstaffs wrote I do not see how a car can be “just fine” after hitting a pole (telephone?) at 25mph. I hit a lamp standard at less than that speed, my VW Beetle was written off. I speak with complete ignorance of the passive safety of the VW Beetle, but the Toyotpet Super was a car with a fairly high weight, it had a chassis bolted to the body with what was a resistant car ... The bad thing is that the damage of the accident the passengers received it
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2021-04-16 16:13	I can also tell you about hitting a tree with a Lancia, but that was considerably faster and the engine and transmission joined me in the cabin. Concerning the weight and velocity comment, kinetic energy increases in linear fashion with the weight, but as velocity squared, so it’s best not to hit things going too quickly. My Bentley weighs over two tonnes, and shows a marked reluctance to stop or change direction in too sudden a manner, although the four huge servo assisted brake drums stop it quickly enough to surprise cars following too closely behind, there is enormous heat build up so you can’t do it too often. https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/physics/kinetic.php -- Last edit: 2021-04-16 16:39:13
midnight ◊ 2021-04-16 16:36	johnfromstaffs wrote it’s best not to hit things going too quickly. With deer crossing the road it's a toss up. Is it more dangerous to veer off the road down a ravine or hit the deer?
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2021-04-16 16:42	I have hit one of those, once in a 1960 Austin Minivan, and once (not the same deer!) in a 1996 Ford Escort. We have many wild deer in central Staffordshire, (est. 600-900) and they all seem to enjoy jumping out in front of my cars. We don’t have many ravines, so I haven’t tested your supposition. Link to "brownhillsbob.com" -- Last edit: 2021-04-16 17:20:48
Baube ◊ 2021-04-16 16:46	the opposite once happened to one of my friends mom : she was driving then that thing jump out of nowhere and hit the car right in the doors ( right side, thankfully )

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