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2003 Chevrolet Meriva [A] [GM4300] 
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◊ 2007-10-08 22:48 |
South-American Opel Meriva. What is it called there? |
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◊ 2007-10-08 23:13 |
Chevrolet Meriva  ? |
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◊ 2007-10-08 23:21 |
Yes, Chevrolet Meriva. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Meriva |
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◊ 2007-10-09 12:51 |
Origin USA? I think this is Brazil... |
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◊ 2007-10-09 13:01 |
In his cases i dont know why we dont keep the origin of the brand as it would be much easier, it doesnt matter where the scene takes place or wether the car is a model or another, Chevrolet is american, then it has different markets depending on the continent or the country but the brand itself is still american so i dont know why we are always with this, why origin Brazil? just because the car seen there is sold in south america? it doesnt matter, the brand is still from the United States... |
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◊ 2007-10-09 13:29 |
This will always be a problem with 'branding' but from another point of view.... Chevrolet is an American brand, one of the most famous obviously, however the world-wide branding that GM has chosen in the last few years is not fundamentally the American 'Chevrolet'. Its similar to what Ford has always managed to achieve with the localised 'Ford' brands. 'Ford' has always been American but it is also seen locally as a worldwide brand with local manufacturing and marketing aims. |
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◊ 2007-10-09 13:30 |
I dont get your point  |
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◊ 2007-10-09 13:39 |
What he's saying is that Ford can be seen as both an American and British/European brand since it built cars outside of America (of course the entire company is American-based) but Chevrolet is only really seen as an American brand, it doesn't really make cars outside of America. This car was built by a Chevrolet subsidiary, it's not really a Chevy, they've only stuck a Chevy badge onto it. The same goes for all those ex-Daewoo models that no wear Chevrolet badges. You just can't give this an American flag, it only wears the badge of an American company, otherwise it's completely unAmerican. You might as well call a new Volvo an American car because it's owned by Ford. -- Last edit: 2007-10-09 13:47:57 |
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◊ 2007-10-09 13:42 |
GM in Brazil has been making Opel-based models under the Chevrolet name for something like thirty years, hasn't it? |
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◊ 2007-10-09 13:47 |
An example how GM is selling Chevrolet as a localised low-cost 'brand' with world-wide branding structure, with little reference to the American range of models. I'm not saying its right but its how GM want the world to see the Chevrolet brand. .gif ";)") From GM.... "About the company.. Chevrolet in the UK The Chevrolet brand was founded in 1911 by Louis Chevrolet, a European engineer, and Billy Durant, an American who later established General Motors. The brand has a strong European heritage. In fact, from 1924 to 1965, almost 250,000 Chevrolet cars were manufactured at plants in Copenhagen, Stockholm, Antwerp, Biel, Warsaw, and Berlin - for European customers. Today you can find our cars in over 70 countries with over 4 million sold in 2005. Chevrolet stands for proven technology, quality, and reliability, expressive styling as well as outstanding value for money. Tailored to European needs, today's new Chevrolet range is supported by an extensive network of retailers in 44 countries. Wherever you live, there's bound to be a Chevrolet retailer near you." |
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◊ 2007-10-09 13:47 |
Doesnt matter who owns it nowadays, if what we are talking about is abotu the brand itself then this should be america, and then if we go by your criteria you say that -"This car was built by a Chevrolet subsidiary, it's not really a Chevy, they've only stuck a Chevy badge onto it. The same goes for all those ex-Daewoo models that no wear Chevrolet badges. You just can't give this an American flag, it only wears the badge of an American company, otherwise it's completely unAmerican. So then it is german, because if we put the falg of the model we go for it as being german...? then if we keep this criteria all vauxhalls should be german as well because Vauxhall only puts his badge on Opel cars as you have just said? Just a question, why do you always refere to British and Europe and not just Europe? you dont feel being European :p? |
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◊ 2007-10-09 13:52 |
Because Britain isn't completely part of Europe, even though we're in the EU. Geographically it's an island seperate from the continent, and most British people don't considers themselves as "European", and there's a lot of political debate about us merging with Europe, for one thing we don't use the Euro. I still think of myself as English and British rather than a citizen of Europe, but I'm not a Tory  -- Last edit: 2007-10-09 13:55:48 |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:08 |
It's an ongoing debate. I consider myself English, British and European. I don't know, but I suspect in the same way a Swede might consider themselves Swedish, Scandinavian then European. |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:09 |
Being in the EU means you are already European, and besides although the country was not in it, it is in the continent of Europe, but anyway, it is how each person thinks so theres nothing else to argue about it guess. |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:11 |
??What about your history... ? Check back in it and you'll see if you're european or not  |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:11 |
Scandinavia is just an area of Europe, not a state or a union. -- Last edit: 2007-10-09 14:34:07 |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:12 |
my message was for you G-MANN not for him |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:14 |
I'm a Human, European, and French.... I prefer that way |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:19 |
I'm Spanish, sicne I am Spanish I am European, that's it, so if England is an European country i dont understand why some English people consider themselves as beign just English, what a mind they have. |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:23 |
My family history? Well, as far as I'm aware I'm 100% English, all my family is from the North of England (but I'm a Southerner), my grandparents are all English, and I think all their parents were English. I've never traced my family tree very far back myself, I'm sure if I went back far enough there might be people from other countries (perhaps Scotland since my family is from the North, maybe Ireland or even France?) but I'm totally white. I think my grandpa once retraced his family tree but I've never been told about any non-English ancestry I have. Of course English people are originally descended from various European races, Vikings, Normans, Romans, Celts, and the original "English" settlers (before cavemen presumably) were Anglo-Saxons who were from what is now called Germany. But it's all very far back, many centuries ago. Yes, if you think about it most British people are of European origin, but you're going to look at that far back, then there's no such thing as "Americans" (except Native Americans), I call myself British in the modern nationality sense, and Britain (or England) hasn't really been part of a European nation since Roman times. -- Last edit: 2007-10-09 14:31:02 |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:30 |
It is not necesary to go that far back in time to proove any reason why you should feel european as well, it doesnt matter wether you had in a past relatives from different countries, i dont think i have had any foreing ones either but thats nto a reason why i should feel only Spanish and not European. |
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◊ 2007-10-09 14:31 |
And Chevrolet in Brazil, with its Opel-based models, is different again from Chevrolet as the brand for "low-cost" GM-Daewoo cars. |
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◊ 2007-10-09 15:13 |
I didn't expect all these emotions about nationalities, I just changed the American flag into the Brazilian... |
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◊ 2007-10-09 16:26 |
These flags would just be useless then They were added for special cases (e.g. Ford which has local "makes" in France, Germany, Australia, etc., as said above)In this case, it is just a rebadged European car, no? Then I would not list it as brazilian. Why not just list it as originated from Germany, like other rebadged Opel that we have on the site? (considering that Vauxhall is already just rebadged Opel, and not really the original designer of the car) And about Vauxhall, IMHO the rebadged Opel should just be listed as German cars, or eventually as European ones, but I guess that people from UK would not agree Same for most of the recent Ford, which are currently mixed between the two countries. -- Last edit: 2007-10-09 16:43:45 |
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◊ 2007-10-09 16:48 |
Just to add, in this case, why it should not be listed as purely a re-badged German vehicle. The Meriva design was actually from a GM do Brazil based design on an Opel S-car platform. Brazil had design responsibility. I know because parts had to be designed and approved via GM do Brazil. Specific component design was solely from Brazil with prototyping and testing in both locations (Brazil and Germany). Opel is not always the design source. "The Chevrolet Meriva was developed by GM do Brasil's Design & Engineering Center in Sau Paulo and Opel's Opel's International Technical Development Center in Rüsselsheim." GM press release -- Last edit: 2007-10-09 16:51:07 |
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◊ 2007-10-09 19:46 |
What's to develope of a car thats already built? |
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◊ 2007-10-09 20:04 |
@antp: the badges on an actual Opel or Vauxhall don't say anything. The European GM-factories are producing both versions besides on one lane. Only the chassis-number shows the country, where it was made. @Sunbar: it's just an quotation, am I right? I'm also driving an GM-product as an all-day-car, but as I wrote before: for me it's unbelievable, how GM destroys the reputation of the brand "Chevrolet". see, what they have produced in the past with that name, see, what they are selling now. |
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◊ 2007-10-09 20:06 |
And to put a little bit more nationalistic extracts in: I'm at first a West-German, than a German, than an European. I've found out, that I have some French roots, too, but this was 250 or 300 years ago. Perhaps some Polish, too, but these informations were lost in 1945, when my father's family run away from the Soviet Army. -- Last edit: 2007-10-09 20:09:48 |
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◊ 2007-10-09 20:41 |
By the way, the first Chevrolet Mervia!!!  |
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◊ 2007-10-09 22:38 |
Not just a quote from a publicity release.... The company I worked for produced components for all GM-Europe vehicles (also most other car manufacturers). The design and development of the body of the Meriva (project "S-4380") was GM do Brazil and they cooperated with Opel. Opel resources were fully occupied other projects at the time. About your comment how GM treats the Chevrolet brand name... I have to agree there seems to be little in common with its use between GM-North America vehicles and the rest of the world. But then from a UK viewpoint GM had two very good brands Vauxhall (before the 1970s) and Bedford (before the 1980s) which suffered from a lack of support from GM eventually. GM's world-wide marketing of vehicles has not been as good as Ford's I believe. |
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