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stronghold ◊ 2007-07-10 08:11	ford orion?
twingoman ◊ 2007-07-10 11:45	Yes, possibly an Orion.
DynaMike ◊ 2007-07-10 11:50	But the rear window of an Orion is very rounded... I'd go for an Opel Rekord [E].
dudley ◊ 2007-07-10 15:06	1982+ Mk2 Cavalier saloon, I'd say - a common UK cab at the time; compare black wing mirrors and bonnet front: Link to "www.mamut.com" -- Last edit: 2007-07-10 15:14:56
antp ◊ 2007-07-10 17:49	Indeed it is more likely a Vauxhall than an Opel, as it is a UK series Edit : but what are these Opel doing in UK? /vehicle_115654-Opel-Ascona.html /vehicle_115652-Opel-Kadett-Estate-1981.html -- Last edit: 2007-07-10 17:50:47
dudley ◊ 2007-07-10 17:56	antp wrote Indeed it is more likely a Vauxhall than an Opel, as it is a UK series Edit : but what are these Opel doing in UK? /vehicle_115654-Opel-Ascona.html /vehicle_115652-Opel-Kadett-Estate-1981.html The Ascona is on French plates, but there were a few Opels, mainly Mantas and Monzas, sold in the UK from Vauxhall dealers (In fact I rememeber them referred to as 'Your local Vauxhall/Opel dealer). Right-hooker Kadetts and Asconas were built for Ireland; obviously some found their way into the UK. I do, however, think the cab is most likely to be a Vauxhall.
DynaMike ◊ 2007-07-10 17:56	The Ascona seems to have french license plates... But I don't think it's that strange to see Opel in the UK; and I'm still not realy convinced this being a Cavalier: somehow the pointed rear side windows don't fit. But the front is more likely to be the Cavalier, indeed; and for sure it's not the Vauxhall counterpart of the Opel Rekord [E], the Carlton, that had a pointed/sloping bonnet.
dudley ◊ 2007-07-10 18:05	The boot is too small for it to be a Carlton; another Cavalier saloon: /vehicle_115173-Vauxhall-Cavalier-1987.html This quote from Wikipedia makes it less likely for it to be an Opel: "The Opel name largely disappeared from the UK in 1981 after Vauxhall and Opel dealerships were merged, with only the Manta and the Monza (the coupe version of the Senator) being sold as Opels, until they were discontinued in 1988 and 1987 respectively."
Sunbar ◊ 2007-07-10 18:22	Not a MkII Cavalier saloon as the bonnet vents would be further back, under the windscreen and in two groups.
Sunbar ◊ 2007-07-10 18:49	Opel Rekord E or Vauxhall Carlton, as the bonnet vents match and C pillar rear door shut line... bonnet vents Rekord E1 http://www.rekord.org/sedan/kuvat/kone2.jpg -- Last edit: 2007-07-10 21:39:55
Sunbar ◊ 2007-07-10 19:36	Cavalier MkI/Ascona C air intake grill at base of windscreen showing its not the same as in the main picture. Therefore not Cavalier MkI but Opel Rekord E or Vauxhall Carlton. -- Last edit: 2007-07-10 21:10:35
dudley ◊ 2007-07-10 21:48	The vents argument is water-tight. It must be a Carlton (Rekord is rare and unlikely as a taxi in the UK).
Sunbar ◊ 2007-07-10 22:04	dudley I have to agree with DynaMike about the front...... DynaMike wrote ... But I don't think it's that strange to see Opel in the UK; and I'm still not really convinced this being a Cavalier: somehow the pointed rear side windows don't fit. But the front is more likely to be the Cavalier, indeed; and for sure it's not the Vauxhall counterpart of the Opel Rekord [E], the Carlton, that had a pointed/sloping bonnet. DynaMike, I believe you are right. The front is not like the sloping bonnet /droop-snoop Carlton. Therefore its the UK Opel Rekord [E], the first version 1977–82 the bonnet changed after this date. Some right-hand-drive Rekords were sold in the UK and a few could have been been used as taxis, if not from new certainly as second-hand vehicles.
dudley ◊ 2007-07-10 22:28	Sunbar wrote dudley I have to agree with DynaMike about the front...... DynaMike, I believe you are right. The front is not like the sloping bonnet /droop-snoop Carlton. Therefore its the UK Opel Rekord [E], the first version 1977–82 the bonnet changed after this date. Some right-hand-drive Rekords were sold in the UK and a few could have been been used as taxis, if not from new certainly as second-hand vehicles. I agree it's not the very first generation '78 - '80 Carlton: http://www.tmbbooks.be/afb/HA/0480.jpg I was suggesting the facelifted one with the droop-snoot shortened, not unlike the Rekord anyway: Link to "www.motorbase.com" Rekord: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Opel_Rekord_E_2-3D.jpg -- Last edit: 2007-07-10 22:58:18
Sunbar ◊ 2007-07-10 22:58	dudley, the facelifted Carlton had a smooth bonnet with no vents at all as in the links below. /vehicle_61432-Vauxhall-Carlton.html /vehicle_45648-Vauxhall-Carlton-1989.html The bonnet was raised over the windscreen wiper arms and the resulting gap served as the air inlet without actual slotted vents.
dudley ◊ 2007-07-10 22:59	Sunbar wrote dudley, the facelifted Carlton had a smooth bonnet with no vents at all as in the links below. /vehicle_61432-Vauxhall-Carlton.html /vehicle_45648-Vauxhall-Carlton-1989.html The bonnet was raised over the windscreen wiper arms and the resulting gap served as the air inlet without actual slotted vents. Sunbar, I meant this one: Link to "www.motorbase.com" not the sister to the Omega. -- Last edit: 2007-07-10 23:02:00
Sunbar ◊ 2007-07-10 23:50	dudley - Good find. My searches for Carlton pictures did not result in that version. I agree Carlton MK2 (1983-1986) is the most probable.
DynaMike ◊ 2007-07-11 00:33	Sorry, I didn't know this Mk. II Carlton. Only the Mk.I had been sold overhere (though almost everybody preferred the german 'Gründlichkeit' quality). Nice to see that a bread-and-butter car like this gets such a long and interesting discussion
dudley ◊ 2007-07-11 11:35	MBSL65fan wrote This car had an optional 377 horsepower I6 engine doesn't it? That would be the Lotus Carlton/Omega of 1990, based on the 2nd generation Carlton of '86.
dudley ◊ 2007-07-11 11:37	DynaMike wrote Sorry, I didn't know this Mk. II Carlton. Only the Mk.I had been sold overhere (though almost everybody preferred the german 'Gründlichkeit' quality). Nice to see that a bread-and-butter car like this gets such a long and interesting discussion I know! No-one's ever discussed the Vauxhall Carlton for this long.
Sunbar ◊ 2007-07-11 11:49	I think the Carlton MkI and MkII actually sold in quite few numbers. The Opel versions possibly sold almost as well I think despite there being fewer UK dealers. The demand for large Vauxhalls was quite small. Of course they were recognised as a badge-engineered Opel Rekord and that did not help sales. The first droop-snoop models looked quite odd in appearance compared to the Cavalier and Chevettes, and did not last long. I'm not sure if the first Carlton, Royale and Royale Coupe models were made in the UK at Luton (it would be interesting to know) but certainly later they were all made in Russelsheim Germany alongside the Rekords, Senators etc. So the German 'Gründlichkeit' quality would have been identical
DAF555 ◊ 2007-07-11 14:09	Sunbar wrote I'm not sure if the first Carlton, Royale and Royale Coupe models were made in the UK at Luton (it would be interesting to know) but certainly later they were all made in Russelsheim Germany alongside the Rekords, Senators etc. So the German 'Gründlichkeit' quality would have been identical I´ve consulted a book, Vauxhall Cars 1965-1984 by R Berry & A Earnshaw, and from what I can find out in it these cars were produced in britain. Probably the whole series of the Mk 1 Carltons up to 1986, approximately 80.000 vehicles. 7119 Royales and don´t forget the Viceroy with 2295 built
Sunbar ◊ 2007-07-11 14:40	Thanks, DAF555. I guessed the earlier models were UK built, therefore they were made in Luton.

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