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Western Star 4800

Western Star 4800 in Maximum Overdrive, Movie, 1986 IMDB

Class: Trucks, Trailer truck (tractor) — Model origin: US

Western Star 4800

Position 00:06:37 [*][*][*][*][*] The vehicle is part of the movie

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Alexander DE

2006-01-02 18:17

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Not a Marmon (they made cars between 1902 and 1933) but a Western Star.

antp BE

2006-01-02 19:47

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The info was sent by carfan: http://forum.antp.be/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=2840
And on Google I found similar trucks when searching "Marmon truck" :??:

Alexander DE

2006-01-02 20:22

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I checked some books:
There was a Marmon Motor Co., a subsidary of Marmon-Herrington, made trucks between 1963 and 73 and were taken over by Interstate in 1973. I think the name Marmon was kept. In Australia they were sold as 'Max Marmon'.
All images I found do not look like the truck we have here.

The image send in by carfan has not the typical Marmon 'M' logo, but something looking like 'White'.

White was the mother company of Western Star and for a while they had some similar looking models.

Today White is part of Volvo, Western Star part of Freightliner which is part of DaimlerChrysler.

antp BE

2006-01-02 21:33

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Thanks for the details ;)

Carfan US

2006-01-03 21:52

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Actually the Marmon truck company lasted from 1963-1995 And I'm still not sure which it is because when i look up western star trucks and Marmon trucks on google, they often look alike because because on either of the trucks sometimes there is a blank square plate ontop of the grill like in the picture in the link above

-- Last edit: 2006-01-03 21:56:40

nickman912 US

2006-01-27 02:50

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This is a Kenworth, plain and simple.

Junkman UK

2006-01-27 03:13

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It is a White Western Star. No Marmon, no Kenworth. Why? It has curved windscreens. Marmons used Peterbilt cabins, which have plane glass, like Kenworths. Also the shape of the headlight housings is deffo White.

nickman912 US

2006-01-27 03:34

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Its not a Western Star. its a Kenworth. The hoods on Western Stars are straight and boxy, while that curves slightly. And the headlights are round. Google images of Westen's are square. Just look at the resemblance from the kenworth used in Smokey and the bandit: /images/010/238.jpg

Junkman UK

2006-01-27 11:12

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Whatever it is (imho a Western Star) it is not a Kenworth. This truck has a beltline crease on the doors and bonnet. Show me one single Kenworth with this attribute. Curved windscreen and the shape of the front wings are further hints that this is anything but a Kenworth.

nickman912 US

2006-01-29 04:07

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Well sorry to burst your Western Star bubble, but I paused that movie and had my friends dad look at it. (I was at their house, BTW.) His dad is a licenecd diesel technician for 25+ years, and he, without a doubt in his mind identified it as a Kenworth. His dealership deals with KWs so if anyone knew what it was itd be him. He said the headlights automatically give it away and that the air cleaner is a KW style cleaner and snorkel on the side of the hood is mounted where KW mounts them. Also, in the beginning, when they show the cab, he identified it as a KW cab. Its a Kenworth, end of discussion.

Bebert FR

2006-01-29 07:57

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Maitre Antoine, devant un tel débat, que faire? Kenworth, Western Star, unknown ou trop connu ? :lol:

Alexander DE

2006-01-29 11:01

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Quote Its a Kenworth, end of discussion.

It would be nice if you provide some proof for your postulation.
There are enough images on the web you can provide.

antp BE

2006-01-29 11:12

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Quote Maitre Antoine, devant un tel débat, que faire? Kenworth, Western Star, unknown ou trop connu ? :lol:


Ha bah moi je n'en sais rien, je peux juste dire que c'est un camion américain :D

nickman912 US

2006-01-30 03:01

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I posted a link to the Smokey and the Bandit Kenworth. It has the exact same details as this truck, air cleaner, snorkel, headlignts, etc. Also, something else to take into consideration when looking at this truck is it has obvioulsy been modified, heavily. So the Western Star-like additions could, in fact, just be the modifications made to the truck. Junkman can yell scream and holler Western Star all he wants, but its the small details that scream Kenworth. There is no way, after hearing an experinced diesel technician of many years call out Kenworth without a second thought about it, you can tell me this is a Western. Heres some pics, its the small details that match:
Link to "www.truckertotrucker.com"
http://throughthewindshield.com/images/oldtimers/old6.JPG
http://www.mcdermidcorp.com/images/web+1981+kenworth+gold+nugget+front.jpg

Not really about the truck itself, but a interesting pic, none the less:
http://hollywoodpropcollector.com/images/maximum_overdrive_head.jpg

-- Last edit: 2006-01-30 03:20:40

t_rock

2006-01-30 04:50

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im with nick man my father is a diesel mechenic and i am a diesel mechanic in training and i can tell you through experience that this truck here is a kenworth with a modified snorkel system, custom paint job, and after market exhaust. so this is not a western star never has been never will be.

Junkman UK

2006-01-30 08:15

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Aha, and they also mounted the curved windscreen and the doors with beltline crease from a Western Star to it? Good job...
And btw, I don't stress Western Star, I only stress NOT Kenworth, for the simple fact that this is no Kenworth.

-- Last edit: 2006-01-30 08:15:54

Junkman UK

2006-01-30 08:40

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Here, you have a door and curved windscreen like on the truck in question:

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/bill_steeves/autocar_parade_pa02.jpg

Here, you have a Kenworth door and plane KW windscreen:

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/ken_dubuc/2005/mar/ken11.jpg

Here you have the front wing and light as the truck in the pic:

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/loeb/wws_w_1.jpg

Here you have the Kenworth wing and headlight arrangement:

http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/ken_dubuc/2005/mar/ken31.jpg


Also note how the wing of the truck in the picture is bevelled around the edge, whereas the Kenworth wing is completely rounded.


Is it still a Kenworth, or what?




-- Last edit: 2006-01-30 08:50:45

antp BE

2006-01-30 09:40

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We could maybe contact Western Star and Kenworth companies to ask them directly? :D

t_rock

2006-01-30 14:16

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i personaly say it is a kenworth junkmans kenworth pics look just like the KENWORTH in question so id still say kenworth yes.

Alexander DE

2006-01-30 14:35

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Quote We could maybe contact Western Star and Kenworth companies to ask them directly? :D

Nice idea, but it is easier simply to look! :)

@ nickman912 :
Thanks for the pictures. You did prove the case, but not your's. The images show clearly that this truck here is not a Kenworth.
Let me explain:
Take http://www.mcdermidcorp.com/images/web+1981+kenworth+gold+nugget+front.jpg and look closely at the wings (fenders). You can see that the headlight housing curves in the same way as the headlight itself. On the truck here the housing is angled. Additionally the headlights are positioned lower on a Kenworth.
Have a look at this image: Link to "www.truckertotrucker.com"
It shows very well that the wings on a Kenworth are rounded. The truck here has wings that are bevelled (folded) at the front and on the side. The same picture shows the angle between the left and right halves of the windscreen and the sun visor, typical for Kenworth, not to be seen on this truck here.
The last picture you provided http://throughthewindshield.com/images/oldtimers/old6.JPG shows very well the position of the fuel tank. On a Kenworth it is under the sleeping cabin, while Western Star positions it under the drivers cabin.
Take a look at the following link http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/jl_goodell_jl_goodell.htm that shows lots of Western Star pictures from the 1970s and hopefully you are convinced thereafter.

Junkman UK

2006-01-30 15:46

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Thanks Alexander! Finally someone that actually looks at the subject and doesn't just scream 'Kenworth'.


-- Last edit: 2006-01-30 17:04:01

nickman912 US

2006-01-30 23:40

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Guys, Im really trying to see the Western identifying points, and Im really not seeing them. I can see the KW identifing characteristics, and with that said I am hardpressed to believe this is a Western.

t_rock

2006-01-31 03:34

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now that alexander gave me a pic thank you i do believe it is a western star

nickman912 US

2006-01-31 03:44

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Heh, I see it now. Damn I thought for sure it was a KW. All the little things looked like KW's style. Anyway, now for the next thing, what model Star is it?

t_rock

2006-01-31 03:46

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http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/jl_goodell/2005/jan/pic022.jpg
this one helped the most for me

X-Factor

2006-02-07 07:48

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To try to put this to bed......every company has thier own unique way of doing things. In this case it is the fender curve,number of wheel lugs,the air cleaner arangement and particularly the headlight "eyebrows" that give it away(refer to link I posted to Western Star). First off the pic is a bad capture to make snap judgements. I am a huge movie buff and this happens to be one of my fav movies, besides being an anal model builder, I'm a movie prop collector as well. This truck is without a doubt a ......1973-79 Kenworth KW825.......

1974 Western Star: http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/jl_goodell/2005/jan/pic039.jpg (note depressed face, and standalone pod)

antp BE

2006-02-11 23:02

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Here are some extra pictures, I hope they will help to finally identify this truck :D

[Image: westernstar48002.jpg] [Image: westernstar48004.jpg] [Image: toyz0024307cv.4063.jpg] [Image: toyz0032503hm.3305.jpg] [Image: toyz0039391wv.5007.jpg]

-- Last edit: 2016-07-19 10:21:59 (karoomay)

carfan US

2006-02-14 21:29

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i don't agree with this website, it a truck website but it describes this truck as an Autocar.
Link to "s3.invisionfree.com"

wrenchhead US

2006-02-14 22:11

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You know, this thing just might be an Autocar. See: http://www.yarbro.com/index.php?page_id=256&page_item_id=166

-- Last edit: 2006-02-14 22:12:00

carfan US

2006-02-14 23:29

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Quote You know, this thing just might be an Autocar. See: http://www.yarbro.com/index.php?page_id=256&page_item_id=166

yeah. The truck in the link and the green goblin truck look alot alike.

nickman912 US

2006-02-15 04:55

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Hmm, I hate to chime in on this again, but the Autocar does look close. But the headlights are different. The Autocar is square in the link and the Star in the movie is round. X-Factor, Im confused as to why he posted a Star pic when he said it was a KW. The Star's fenders and lights looked the truck in the movie.

carfan US

2006-02-15 21:37

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I don't kow iif this would help but here is a link that tells about this truck including the engine which may help identify what truck this is.
Link to "blog.360.yahoo.com"

nickman912 US

2006-02-15 23:19

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The verdict is Western Star. Confirmed! I looked at the link X-Factor posted and the grill of that truck is the same as Carfan's link he posted. Its a Western allright!

carfan US

2006-02-16 00:01

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:sigh: this is getting old. i looked at Western Star truck pictures at hankstruckpictures.com and found out i was right the truck without the face looks exactly like some of the trucks on the website. This is a western star hands down, no exceptions.

carfan US

2006-02-16 21:29

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I just read somewhere that this could be a western star from the sixties or seventies. Back then it the company was merged with white so it was White-Western Star trucks

-- Last edit: 2006-02-16 21:32:20

Alexander DE

2006-02-17 01:31

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This seems to become a neverending story, so let me give some background information:

I think we all agree that this truck looks like the Western Star trucks in all the linked pictures.

So what about White and Autocar?

As I don't want to be smattering about this let me give some historical data:

White started in 1901 as 'White Sewing Machine Co.' in Cleveland, Ohio, USA, changed the name to 'The White Co.' in 1906, 'White Motor Co.' in 1938, 'White Trucks, Div. White Motor Corp.' in 1966, 'Volvo White Truck Corp.' in 1981, now in Dublin, VA, and Greensboro, NC. The brand name was 'White'.

In 1968 a Canadian subsidary, the 'White Truck Manufacturing Ltd.', was started in Kelowna, BC.

In 1988 a cooperation between Volvo and General Motors led to the 'Volvo GMC Heavy Truck Corp.' in 1989 which uses the brand name 'White-GMC'.

The brand name 'White Western Star' was started in 1968 which should have an appeal to the West Coast customers. Probably the White sales were dwindling in that area. These trucks were produced in Canada and USA.

In 1981 when Volvo took over the brand name was changed from 'White Western Star' to 'Western Star'. These were now made by 'Western Star Trucks Inc.', Bellevue, WA, and Nashville, TN, USA and by 'Western Star Trucks Inc.', Kelowna, BC, and Mississauga, Ont., Canada. In 1989, when GM joined, it became 'Western Star Inc.' in Mississauga, Ont., Canada. Even today the design features are identical to the early models.

Autocar started as 'Autocar Co.' in 1907 in Ardmore, Pa., USA, and joined White as 'Autocar Division' in 1954. Within the White Motor Corp. Autocar took over the 'heavy end', i.e. trucks for mines, timber and other heavy haulage.

One last player in this round is Freightliner. From 1951 to 1977 they had a cooperation with White and sold COE trucks under the brand name 'White-Freightliner'. Recently Freightliner, now part of DaimlerChrysler, took over Western Star.


So, what about this truck and why did I say it is a Western Star in the first place?

On the internet most pictures and references are 'Western Star', still quite a lot 'White Western Star' and only very few 'Autocar'.

Autocar was active in a different market share and White Western Star only produced until 1980. This truck looks fairly new, therefore I assume that it was produced in 1981 or later. Hence my deduction that it is a Western Star.


Perhaps we can now leave all speculation behind, unless someone talks to the owner of the truck and gets new evidence.

Interesting would be to find a matching model name.

carfan US

2006-02-17 04:02

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Weeeeelllll. I looked up 1981 western star on Google image Search and this truck does look similar to those in the pictures i saw.


-- Last edit: 2006-02-17 04:02:45

dwd4x4

2006-03-18 06:25

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It was not a Marmom because the bumpers were different, although the Kenworth hood and lights were close, the cab, bumper and exhausts were way different, But Nickman right, it could be Kenworth, because this truck was almost definetly modded very heavily. So conclusion is: 1980's (Not possitive answere because to know th year you kind of have to know the model) Western Star. Hope you are happy with yourselves.

Nightrider RU

2006-03-18 09:31

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BTW,when I watch this movie, I was absolutely sure, that it's Kenworth...it's like epidemia?

stronghold EN

2006-03-19 09:26

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dwd4x4 wrote Your are all wrong. It is a truck. It is a black truck. And it has wheels. It also has a big face on the grill. So there.

..ohh ..the big face ..by the way ..is the "Green Goblin" (copyright- Marvel comics) :)

truckface NO

2006-03-22 14:09

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how come the eyes on the truck starts glowing when it starts?

junkman UK

2006-03-22 14:28

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truckface wrote how come the eyes on the truck starts glowing when it starts?



Because an electrician from the movie team put light bulbs into them and wired them to the starter motor circuit?

junkman UK

2006-03-22 14:28

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I must admit I haven't seen the movie, but it seems to be waaaay above my intellectual capabilities.

explorer4x4

2006-03-23 23:36

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Okay, we've got down that it is a Western Star and that it is a 1981. Now, what model is it? That can't be too hard if we can find a complete list of Western Star trucks made in 1981. The search is narrowed down thanks to the year and make.

truckface NO

2006-03-28 14:19

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The engine on this truck doesn`t sound like any Cummins i`ve ever heard. When it thrusts the engine it sounds like heavyer stuff to me. :hello:

Nightrider RU

2006-04-01 08:35

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truckface wrote The engine on this truck doesn`t sound like any Cummins i`ve ever heard. When it thrusts the engine it sounds like heavyer stuff to me. :hello:


It's just a movie. Mack in Convoy sounds like Detroit Diesel, although it have Mack ETAY under hood.

BadGod

2006-04-12 09:58

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It's a 2 cycle. A Detroit or Cummins. That's why it sounds cool. Alot of the older trucks ran 2 cycles.

explorer4x4

2006-04-12 18:11

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Okay, now thatwe have the year, make and engine, maybe we should try to find out the model?
It will be pretty simple if we can find a list of trucks Western-Star produced in 1981, especially from the pictures everybody posted.

truckface NO

2006-04-13 23:07

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Those headlights and bumper bumper tells me that this is a 1970s model. I do think it`s a 1977 and that the truck therefore is a White-Western Star.

Killer-Auto

2006-04-14 06:26

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If you look at the front cover of the DVD version of the movie...on the top of the front grill are the initials KW, which makes me think it is a Kenworth truck.

Pics to compare to: http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/pnwtm/2003/kw/dscn4767.jpg
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/pnwtm/2003/kw/dscn5303.jpg

-- Last edit: 2006-04-14 07:18:02

firebird86 US

2006-04-14 07:55

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This subject has already been beat to death :)

antp BE

2006-04-14 10:13

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And nothing guarantees that the pic on the DVD cover is the same as the truck with the green face...

Freedom US

2006-04-24 09:23

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ok ladies and germs,

Time to set you all straight on this. I was in the trucking industry here in the usa for well over 20 yrs. I know my truck equipment like I know the back of my hand. THAT TRUCK IS NOT A KW. I REPEAT ITS NOT A KENWORTH. First of all the headlights are too high and back on the fenders. geez.

Second look at where the airbreathers connect and the pipes run thru the hood into the turbo under the hood. Had someone point out one fact. Its running a 290 cummins. Why I dont know. Guess hollyweird dubbed the sound of a 671 over it because of the deeper sound. Sorta like a Harley Davison motorcycle.

Third look at the top of the cab. See the cab lights? Sorry folks, KW NEVER put theirs anything like that on their equipment. Plus the cab on the KW is about 4 inches narrower than the White/ Western Star.

Forth look at the corners of the front windows. The older KW's never had rounded outside glass. KW always had flat glass just like peterbuilt. I know because I own a 1962 KW w900 tractor.

Fifth look at where the fuel tanks are sitting. KW never put their tanks forward of the cab cowling.

Sixth I'm shocked no one seen this before. That trucks windshield is TILTED BACKWARDS. KW's are nearly straight up and down.

Just for the record. It appears to me as a 1974 western star 4800. Its grill is split and has the same bolting points for the airbreathers and the windshield is set it the same way. Plus look at the door-jams and the little wing window on the door.
Plus look at where the front fenders stop above the bumper.


http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B28861.jpg

Link to "www.truckpaper.com"

Link to "www.truckpaper.com"

Now compair those pics to the truck in the movie.

I grewup in the trucking industry. Plus being one of the first women to ever set foot in a truck without a husband or boyfriend, I had to know what I was doing or I would have been MULCH. In the day I have owned many a truck. From KW, to Volvo, to Freightshakers, to corn-field caddi's. Truck manufactors have always made the extra effort to keep small details in their equipment that made them different from everyone else.

Sorry to burst any bubbles here. But felt it was time to settle the arguement once and for all.

Freedom
old lady of the road.



-- Last edit: 2006-04-24 10:10:41

sixcyl FR

2006-04-24 09:33

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Thank's Miss "Freedom", and we are very happy to have a lady among our contributors...you're welcome :)

Now, i think we can put the 'Point final' on this picture with the help of your contribution :D... if not, this picture will be able for "guiness book record" about numbers of messages posted! :lol:

Bebert FR

2006-04-24 09:34

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Bon, et bien voilà qui pourrait clore un vieux débat. Et une fois de plus, ce serait une femme qui nous indiquerait la bonne voie, tant mieux. La "Liberte" est toujours la bienvenue... "Freedom" is always welcome...

Freedom US

2006-04-24 09:35

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oh and Alexander in germany,

Marmon is a heavy class 8 highway truck here in the usa. Its totally 100% hand built. Mainly thry the 80s and 90s. Look up MARMON 57P.

Link to "www.truckpaper.com"

Link to "www.truckpaper.com"

Nur hat gedacht, dass ich aus mit der falschen Auskunft helfen soll. Hofft, dass ich Ihre Gefühle nicht verletzt habe.

Freedom
old lady of the road

junkman UK

2006-04-24 13:49

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Freedom wrote
Sixth I'm shocked no one seen this before.


For the record, I was the first one that pointed out most of the identifying features you mentioned in order to convince everybody that this is not a Kenworth. How anyone could mistake this for a Kenworth is beyond me anyway.

Freedom US

2006-04-24 18:00

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junkman you are correct, you did point out alot of what I had. Kenworths are very different from White/ Western Stars. One only needs to look with open eyes. LOL Got to give you credit. You got a sharp eye for details.

Oh junkman, Marmon also uses Navistar cabs. More so thru the 80s and 90s model trucks. If you look at the last hyperlink in my post to alexander you will see a 1991 Marmon Classic with a Navistar Eagle 9300 cab and headlight frames and marker lights. They just switched out the cab marker lights for something less than aerodynamic. Its totally ugly as sin, but its got something over other trucks. Its hand-built.

carfan US

2006-04-24 18:37

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Take a look at the western star in Trucks. /movie_120380-Trucks.html

junkman UK

2006-04-24 21:19

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Freedom wrote Its totally ugly as sin


LOL, my friend Dick Nesbitt designed it. I'll let him know your opinion of his work :-)

explorer4x4

2006-04-24 23:47

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Ya know whats odd? Alexander identified this truck as a Western Star on the first comment for this truck.

sixcyl FR

2006-04-25 00:22

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explorer4x4 wrote Ya know whats odd? Alexander identified this truck as a Western Star on the first comment for this truck.

:king:

Freedom US

2006-04-25 04:50

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You know whats even more odd? It was misidentified as a 1981 western star. The 81 had sqaure headlights and the fenders were more like a KW. Plus people kept re-identifing it as a KW. I may NOT have read each post, but I did catch that people had no clue what the truck was. I meerly was setting the record straight. And I did say I was sorry if I hurt anyones feelings. My post was not an attack on anyone. Meerly just pointing out what others as it seemed couldnt agree upon, because of the posters and the dvd/ vhs case cover. Plus there was the model number going around, 4000, 4400. Which may be close but aint the cigar. You all wanted a penpoint yr and model. I meerly gave it, along with a copy of the paperwork that White/ Western Star put out for the '74 4800 WS.

If I have somehow insulted, belittled or even put anyone here down with my manner of speach. I BEG YOUR EVER LIVING FORGIVENESS AND APPOLIGIZE TO EACH OF YOU IN TURN.

But understand please, I am a trucker (well ex trucker), forced medical retirement. I talk the way I do and I do it without being all touchy-feely or being politically correct. I am blunt and to the point. If you dont wish for blunt-honesty please tell me. Aint no skin off my back. Iv been around the block more times than most have been alive. I know whats important and that is how I live my life.

Freedom
old lady of the road

P.S. notice that my handle is "Freedom". I got it honestly. I was an indepentant trucker for many a yr. I do things my own way.

truckface NO

2006-04-25 10:24

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I love this rig! :love: Somebody should have keep`d it, or at least the Marvel face. :(

junkman UK

2006-04-25 12:50

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Freedom wrote
If I have somehow insulted, belittled or even put anyone here down with my manner of speach. I BEG YOUR EVER LIVING FORGIVENESS AND APPOLIGIZE TO EACH OF YOU IN TURN.


Errr, for my part, I'm actually less obnoxious than I am on this site when I'm drunk, kin ya believe it?


-- Last edit: 2006-04-25 12:51:28

Nightrider RU

2006-04-26 17:00

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I'm still interested, why so many peoples identyfy it as Kenworth???

wrenchhead US

2006-05-01 00:21

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Rocker B. J. wrote Because, In the 1970s White started the Western Star division to sell trucks.


Think about it. Chevrolet, buick, cadillac, etc are DIVISIONS of general motors. Do you want to name them GMC chevrolet, GMC buick, etc.

-- Last edit: 2006-05-01 00:22:29

Freedom US

2006-05-03 22:09

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Nightrider wrote I'm still interested, why so many peoples identyfy it as Kenworth???


Well Nightrider its easy to answer. See yesterday on the news they reported that most kids in the USA cant find Iraq, New Orleans or even New York city. Its called laziness. So too many people want and even demand that others give them the answers to life's tidbits. They are unwilling to use that which is out there. Internet search engines. It took me a whooping 2 mintes to ID this truck with documentation to support it from White/ Western Star.

The rest is any ones guess. I know that this will most likely be my last post on here. Simply because I speak plainly and with sharp words that many will say cut too deep and too close to home. Maybe though it will wake a few people up to realize that they have to seek out that which they wish to know and understand. Instead of demanding others give them the answers before they know the questions.

Blog boards like this one are ment to talk about. Not argue over whos right and whos wrong, when no one is willing to go findout for themselves.

May you all wakeup to smell the fresh brewed aroma of the coffee.
By the way, its mountain roast Folgers. :P LOL

Freedom
Old lady of the road.

Freedom US

2006-05-03 22:18

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junkman wrote

LOL, my friend Dick Nesbitt designed it. I'll let him know your opinion of his work :-)


Junkman dont get me wrong. Beauty does not move frieght down the highways and byways of the world. Just as long as it functions. Iv always liked the Navistar trucks. They aint pretty but they sturdy as they come. Most drivers cant afford a Marmon tractor. Its very costly, but its hand built. Which means its strudy as any if not more than most.

Freedom
Old lady of the road.

Alexander DE

2006-05-03 23:13

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Freedom wrote
Well Nightrider its easy to answer. See yesterday on the news they reported that most kids in the USA cant find Iraq, New Orleans or even New York city. Its called laziness. ...

To a certain extent I can agree with what you say. But life is not just black and white, the truth is more complex.

For one thing it is not just the lazy kids, but rather the lazy parents we should address. Children learn from example, and today the example no longer comes from the family but from TV -- with very often a rather violent and brainless programme. Children (and not only they) have to learn to listen and more important to look and to deduce. And with guidence from others anyone can learn that. Important is that teaching is not postulating but explaining. (As you can see in this thread I try to do my best in that respect.)

But there is a second reason why so many people think it is a Kenworth. Have a look at the DVD cover:
[Image: b0000509c501sclzzzzzzz0gg.2654.jpg]
Here the logo says 'KW'!

firebird86 US

2006-05-03 23:19

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The Truck on the cover seems to be missing a Green Goblin mask, Im sure there must be at least 1 Kenworth W900 in the movie. Its just not the lead role truck.

BeanBandit FI

2006-05-03 23:31

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I think all these rigs look same, Kenworth, Peterbilt, Freightliner, you name it.
I also feel same of the 1920s cars. :D

wrenchhead US

2006-05-03 23:57

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I also think its terrible, but unfortunately its true. Fully 50% of the american people on the street don't even know who their governor is. Don't take it personally. I doubt if the average folks in other countries are a whole lot better.

Freedom US

2006-05-04 04:16

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Alexander for one not many film covers depict what is actually in the film. So going by that information does little to convince me of anything. And for another, really look at that truck on the cover. Yeah its got a KW logo, but that is all on that truck that is actually KW. The fenders on that truck are NOT KW. They are fenders of a 1984 Mack Superliner. Notice the placement of the front marker lights on the fenders. The rest was just drawn in to get the feel.

http://www.classyauto.com/v/Mack+Superliner/33691

Hollywood cover art artists dont fallow the norms of what is Real or Memorex. When it comes to trucks and cars. They normally just pick those things that have the "LOOK" that they want.

Other wise Alexander I am 1,000,000% in agreement with what you said. The difference is that here in the states. Kids have more control. If a parent tries to set rules, punishment for breaking of those rules, or even set limits and study times. All the kid has to do is go to their school teachers and say that their parents are being mean to them and can have their parents arreasted for so called child abuse. Even if it is a LIE. You are right, you are very respectful and have been very educated in what you have said. I know I aint very diplomatic nor very touchy feely when it comes to the feelings of others. Im just blunt and honest. The truth has its way of hurting people, specially those that have no desire to hear the truth.

Explorer4x4 well kid you might be offended, but it doesnt change what I said or what was reported by CNN, MSNBC, FOXnews, NBC, ABC and if I recall it was even reported by Charles on Imus in the Morning show both on MSNBC and WFAN sports talk radio out of New York. That truely 90% of people below the age of 21 have no clue where Iraq, New Orleans or New York are.

Pick who and what offends you. You are still young and you got along ways to go in life. You PERSONLLY may not be lazy. But the fact is most are. And whats even worse, most dont care. Alot of people figure "out of sight, out of mind". Look I know you are meerly 13yrs old. Im way old. Iv been around the block more times than most even thought posible. Wait until you are your grandfathers age. You will see what I am saying and then you can critise what I have said. Until then your still a teenager.

Freedom
old lady of the road.

wrenchhead US

2006-05-05 00:09

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Explorer4x4: I repeat don't take this discussion personally. You very apparently don't represent the kind of folks Freedom is talking about and its not just kids. My sister is 60 years old and I guarantee she has no idea where iraq is. Lazy and unconcerned? you bet! The sad point that is being made is that there are a whole lot more people like that in the world than there are like you. ;)

truckface NO

2006-05-06 12:51

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OOoookay... Now, the picture of the truck w/the body in the grill on the DVD cover is NOT the goblin truck. It`s an illustration of what to expect. Allthough, the european DVD cover has a picture of the real goblin truck seen from the front, and Emilio Estevez who`s holding a SMG, standing beside it. The two lead "characters" in other words. `Catch my drift? :hello:

antp BE

2006-05-06 16:08

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I have a Special Edition zone 2 for France or Belgium (as it is in French), which is similar to the one posted by Alexander:
[Image: dscn05372uv.5010.jpg]

BeanBandit FI

2006-05-06 19:40

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That does not even look scary, unlike this one with narrow reptilian-like nose and single headlights looking like eyes.

/vehicle_5148-Peterbilt-281-1960.html

carfan US

2006-05-24 19:22

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I alway's thought (from the first time i watched this movie) that the paint job might seem a little creepy for a truck that delivers toys to toy stores or whatever. also imagine a little kid buying that green goblin jack-in-the-box, a kid might be frightened. also to explorer4x4, I didn't know yopu were in ninth grade. I 'm in ninth grade also and i'm only 15.

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Mr. Metalhead

2006-06-10 23:35

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Is is not a 1981 look it up www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/paul_downing/nov2002/nov29/hank06.jpg At least it appears to be a 1974 look it up http://mclellansautomotive.com/photos/B28861.jpg Yes it is a 1974 White Western Star 4800 and White Motor Company went out of business in 1981 and 1981 would have dual square headlights. Yes it is a 1974 because of the dual round headlights.

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antp BE

2006-06-10 23:44

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I must admit that for the headlights it matches more the 1974 one.
But why was it rechanged to 1981 actually? From the comments made by Freedom and few others it was a 1974... Well, I will let Alexander decide as he made this change :D

wickey SK

2006-06-11 20:57

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this one is pretty close to it also - http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/loeb/ws_cc_t_1.jpg but not single evidence of year :( - just that the pic was taken in 1982

antp BE

2006-06-11 21:20

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The text on the hood seems long, which woud mean White Western Star, and so before 1980.

Firebird86 US

2006-06-12 01:39

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Well Ive sat back and watched, read and checked out the references. In my opinion I believe the truck in question most resembles the 1974 White Western Star 4800, however I will not change this listing. I respect Antoine's decision to withhold any modification to this listing simply based on B.J's unexcusable behavior. His repeated demands to change this trucks listing, and his inability to control his temper and his mouth, are only superceded by his attempt to circumnavigate Antoine's banishment of his account. There has been way too much made of this situation. Personally I consider this to be an embarrassment. Normally this site exhibits a wonderful ability (through working together)to narrow down all suggestions as to the identity of a vehicle. no matter how far off base some of the ideas are. I also think this listing should be dramatically shortened as it is a tremendous waste of bandwith.

trucker US

2006-06-13 03:50

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Now this is confusing! It's just a "1974 Western Star 4800" because they replaced the circle lights with the square lights in 1980

Nightrider RU

2006-06-13 13:30

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Mr. Metalhead wrote Trucker is right It's just a 1974 White Western Star 4800, because they replaced the circle lights with square lights in 1980 and this is confusing! Would you please change it now before the more gets confused.


Trucker said NOTHING about WHITE Western Star!

BTW,what's a thing is "White Western Star"? I remember White-Freightliner,but it's a different story

antp BE

2006-06-13 14:03

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White Western Star existed for few years, see comments posted by Alexander here and on other pages: /vehicles_make-White+Western+Star.html

wickey SK

2006-06-13 16:37

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I just have one question - I have read the discussion (almost entirely :D ) and this one thing I would like to ask - is it possible, that the Truck built in 1981 has these round headlights from factory?

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Explorer4X4

2006-06-13 16:44

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:wow:

You know, Wickey is right, it could have had these installed just for the movie. It could also have had a complete custom front. Like, they could have taken off the hood and grill entirely and put in a new hood with the face, custom lights etc. They obviously re-did the interior and other odds and ends like the exhaust stacks.

wickey SK

2006-06-13 16:55

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yes I re-read the discussion again - Miss "Freedom" told us:

"Just for the record. It appears to me as a 1974 western star 4800. Its grill is split and has the same bolting points for the airbreathers and the windshield is set it the same way. Plus look at the door-jams and the little wing window on the door.
Plus look at where the front fenders stop above the bumper. "

and the headlights are also speaking for 70's truck... Now my question is, how are you so sure Alexander, that it is 1981 - those have different headlights and probably also the stuff pointed out by Freedom.. :

"You know whats even more odd? It was misidentified as a 1981 western star. The 81 had sqaure headlights and the fenders were more like a KW."

I am sorry Alexander, but I did not find anything in your previous posts, which reasons against the stuff told by Freedom and talking for 1981.. I am sorry, maybe I was just reading bad :D - obviously if this is really 1981+ it is Western Star, if it is pre 1981, it is White Western Star.. Am I right? ;)

yvon52 BE

2006-06-13 16:59

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Do somebody have pictures of the miltary edition of 1975-1980?
Here is the link of a newer edition used for NATO purposes.

http://www.freightliner.com/govt/military/sterling/4866s.asp

Yvon

wickey SK

2006-06-13 17:06

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check also this out: http://aths.org/forum2/thread.asp?m=2269

Guy is talking about buying 1977 White Western Star truck + seller told him, that it is just the same car as in Maximum Overdrive.. + some photos are there (looks pretty the same :) )

yvon52 BE

2006-06-13 17:32

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Another question: Why is the end of the exhaust tubes (tuyaux du pot d'échappement) lower than the roof of the trailer. Not practical at all!! What are the truckers thinking of this?

Alexander DE

2006-06-13 18:28

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When asking for facts its things like this I want to see:
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/loeb/2005/feb_cd/file540.jpg
http://www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/loeb/ws_cc_t_1.jpg

Took me about two minutes to find and hopefully it helps to stop spam postings.

Wickey, as you have actually read the thread -- seems you are a rare species around here ;) -- let me answer some of your questions.
What 'Freedom' said shows the typical ignorance about the correct brand names that you find all over the internet, in the forum you found, too. She started this trouble with it being from 1974 but at the same time being a 'Western Star' -- which we know started to exist in 1981 after 'Volvo' took over 'White'.
In '74 this styling arrived. While it was sold as 'White Western Star' it always had an insription on the side of the hood. From the images that can be found it seems that this instription was bolted onto the hood very solidly. I haven't seen one truck where it was missing. The later 'Western Star' inscriptions were not that solid. I saw some broken or missing ones. Additionally this truck looks fairly new, but not rebuilt. Rebuilding a truck can be quite cost intensive, it would be easier to buy a faily good looking, i.e. rather new truck in the first place. Therefore I decided that it is one of the last trucks with round headlight, and that is a 'Western Star' from 1981.

Fairly simple and straight forward -- and I wrote all that many moons ago.

Before someone starts again with "But it could..." -- please don't do it. Find an image of this truck without the mask. The logo on the radiator is a dead giveaway. If such am image turns up we can decide once and for all. Until then I would suggest to keep it as it is, as this is the most likely correct answer.

Mr. Metalhead

2006-06-13 19:02

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Here's a picture of the truck without the mask. 1974 White Western Star 4800 look it up : www.hankstruckpictures.com/pix/trucks/hank_rabe/2005/oct09/lind/36.jpg

Alexander DE

2006-06-13 19:10

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THE truck, not A truck!

wickey SK

2006-06-13 19:46

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now that is the answer I wanted to hear :) thanx Alexander ;) the discussion is closed for me. I thought, that all trucks from 1981 have the square lights, so that was the source of my doubt :) After reading stuff Alex wrote, I am positively convinced. howgh :p

stronghold EN

2006-06-13 20:08

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wickey wrote now that is the answer I wanted to hear :) thanx Alexander ;) the discussion is closed for me. I thought, that all trucks from 1981 have the square lights, so that was the source of my doubt :) After reading stuff Alex wrote, I am positively convinced. howgh :p

..Me also (I agree with Alexander) ... Close and Finish this page ...it's too long ...and getting Very boring now.!! (giving me a headache.!! Image Hosted by ImageShack.us )

Nightrider RU

2006-06-15 12:42

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One note,can we consider this THING as custom truck?

antp BE

2006-06-19 21:38

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Explorer4x4 wrote
Antoine, when are you going to change it to 1974, just curious. And, why couldn't it be a 73' or 75'? There was absolutely no changes for those years! :D

I do not know, I think that I won't touch to this page, I'll let the other admins deal with it :D

Carfan US

2006-06-29 21:21

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Sorry, I would help you, but I gave up trying to identify this truck. Heres a picture of a 1974 Western Star 4800.
Link to "www.truckpaper.com"

yvon52 BE

2006-06-30 21:01

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Sans créer de polémique, voici un modèle 1979 Western Star 4800

http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~dianastar/GregsTruckStuff/1-ws1979.jpg

antp BE

2006-07-01 12:18

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Explorer4x4 wrote they all say "It is a1974, not a 1981"

Now he says 1979 :D

Explorer4x4 wrote And I'm pretty sure everyone knows it is a 74, we're just not changing it because you keep swearing, cursing and demanding.

It is not even sure, it may be a modified 81, but I do not remember what has been said and useful comments are lost in the middle of all the other comments

Alexander DE

2006-07-01 13:32

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PLEASE, EVERYONE, STOP POSTING ANYTHING FOR THIS VEHICLE.

If every spam-posting by this seven-year-old gets five replies we will never get back to decent car identification work.

If you like to know why it is a 1981 Western Star read my comments from 2006-06-13 18:28, look at the images I send, and then DO NOT SEND ANOTHER COMMENT.

If you still have an urge to communicate start a thread in the forum -- but DO NOT SEND ANOTHER COMMENT HERE. Please!

I would not like to see any more of the good people resign -- it seems we already lost Wrenchhead through this trouble.

antp BE

2006-11-13 20:12

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Some new info about this truck... Link to "forum.imcdb.org"

Max1349 CA

2009-02-20 01:19

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wikipedia say about the truck :::: 1977 White Western Star 4864 with the Green Goblin face mounted on the front

wickey SK

2009-02-20 12:44

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oh noes, not again...

Hick US

2009-02-25 18:12

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wickey wrote now that is the answer I wanted to hear :) thanx Alexander ;) the discussion is closed for me. I thought, that all trucks from 1981 have the square lights, so that was the source of my doubt :) After reading stuff Alex wrote, I am positively convinced. howgh :p





dude have you ever seen a 1987 359 peterbilt? they came from the factory with the option of square or round head lights and in 1983 is when kw went to square head lights. and frieghtliner flc had round lights til 1985 or 1986 not poitive. so do your home work next time and..ITS A WHITE WESTERN STAR OR WESYERN STAR!! is this the only site you look at trucks on? come on! im 16 guys. and alexander doesnt know what hes talking about marmon made trucks til 1993 or 1994 i think look it up its not that hard

Hick US

2009-02-25 18:18

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Alexander wrote Not a Marmon (they made cars between 1902 and 1933) but a Western Star.


idk about marmon making cars how long that went on but they made rigs til 1996 or 1997 http://www.marmontrucks.com/ so i know what im talking about

dieselpwr US

2009-02-27 16:43

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I hate to burst everyones bubble. i know the guy who owns this movie truck. it no longer has the goblin head on it but the drivetrain with the 318 detroit is still there. the truck is a 1972 KENWORTH.

4x4 23

2009-03-01 21:40

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dieselpwr wrote I hate to burst everyones bubble. i know the guy who owns this movie truck. it no longer has the goblin head on it but the drivetrain with the 318 detroit is still there. the truck is a 1972 KENWORTH.



No, it's a White Western Star or Western Star, White Western Stars and The Kenworth's almost looks the same I've seen a photo of this truck on a web site after the from What I hear it's a 1979 White Western Star 4900 Steel Cowboy's is close to this one
/vehicle_112546-White-Western-Star-4900.html

The one that blew up at the end was an 1973 From what I heard


There use to be a photo of the truck and the history of the trucks on this Web site

They took that story off after they edited the website they still own the Goblin Mask though

http://www.greengoblinhead.com/index.php


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dieselpwr US

2009-03-05 01:08

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Hey 4x4 if you want to see the surviving green goblin 1972 KENWORTH. Go to youtube.com and type in green goblin detroit in the search and you will see 2 videos of the surviving happy toyz truck.He took the sleeper off the truck but the rest remains the truck is green now though.
brian

bird US

2009-03-10 23:56

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Really this argument about western star or kenworth is amazing it looks like the guy modified it. So I think it's more of a kenworth.

steel cowboy CA

2009-03-18 00:57

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you guys need to learn your styles of trucks! its a mid to late 1970 WHITE WESTERN STAR!!!! I know i own a 1978! All trucks made until the early 1980s used round headlights! The cab on the truck was also used during this time until the cab was raised for more headroom!The air cleaner was by donaldson and used on western stars and i have seen on kenworths but nou many!The hood is not kenworth but the sleeper is kenworth! And for a mechanic of 20 years he doesnt know his trucks either! enough said!!!!!!

1990dodgeWS150 US

2009-03-21 20:51

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Ok folks sorry to add more fuel to the fire, but its honestly a 1977 White Western Star 4864 Its mentioned here in this blog http://blogzarro.com/2007/07/10-trucks-that-make-trucking-cool/ and if you do a wikipedia search on Maximum Overdrive it says the same thing Lets put this to rest

ford_guy US

2009-03-22 01:05

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I'm just going to omit the year for now. It's caused too many problems already.

antp BE

2009-03-23 15:11

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That does not solve the problem: if 70s then make = White Western Star, if 80s then make = Western Star. That's why we did not omit the year despite the discussions :D

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ford_guy US

2009-03-23 23:14

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Well that's why I said for now...but can't the year just be left omitted? Unless we know for sure the specific year (or year range), but that's been the subject of painful discussion for years now.

antp BE

2009-03-24 17:59

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But as I said omitting the year does not change: if you list it as "Western Star" it is 1981. Else if it is older it would be "White Western Star" :D

Neptune US

2009-03-24 21:07

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Maybe we should just delete the truck itself ? Free Smileys & Emoticons at Clipart of.com

ford_guy US

2009-03-24 23:14

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We know it's an 1981 for sure then? That exact year?

Firebird86 US

2009-03-25 00:22

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Neptune wrote Maybe we should just delete the truck itself ? Free Smileys & Emoticons at Clipart of.com

If for no other reasons than to promote harmony and save bandwith

antp BE

2009-03-25 10:30

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ford_guy wrote We know it's an 1981 for sure then? That exact year?

No idea... the answer might be somewhere, lost in this page or on the main movie page... :D
Indeed it is probably better to leave it as it is now, without year, and close that case for good. So I re-lock the page, I shouldn't have reopened it.

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