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1950 Leyland Titan PD2 RTL 
Class: Bus, Double-deck — Model origin: 
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◊ 2018-03-26 05:14 |
![[Image: 01-04busa.1.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/01-04busa.1.jpg) ![[Image: 01-04bus.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/01-04bus.jpg) Page now opened for the bus as it's the source for a re-used entry in another film where but when first posted as comment on main page in this film So who's right - Sunbar or Sunbar???  (I can't really make a guess at the plate here) |
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◊ 2018-03-26 08:47 |
The difference is six inches in width, the camera was some distance away, the visibility of the plate is iffy. No doubt Sunbar made his best estimate on both occasions. |
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◊ 2018-03-26 12:02 |
Standard width Leyland RTL is most likely; the wrap-around on the two advert panels confirms it for me. I guess I was too hasty in the second attempt! I'm always willing to accept a second opinion (except when its from myself, it only confuses me further). Forced to get a new laptop last month finding the keyboard hard to read and the display not as easy to read now as on the old machine that died! -- Last edit: 2018-03-26 12:11:06 |
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◊ 2018-03-26 12:38 |
Editing the description highlights a problem with our listings for standard width London Transport RTLs About 77 current listings split between... Leyland RTL Leyland Titan (RTL in extra info) Leyland Titan PD (RTL in extra info) Leyland Titan PD2 (RTL in extra info) Leyland Titan PD2/3 (RTL in extra info) However Ian's Bus Stop http://www.countrybus.org/ lists the chassis Introduced: June 1948 as Leyland PD2/1 ? Was this true throughout RTL production? The wider RTW listings 'Leyland Titan PD2/3 RTW' are generally consistant with two minor exceptions. In this case Ian's Bus Stop http://www.countrybus.org/ lists the chassis as we do PD2/3. I guess we need a bus expert to confirm the best way to list the RTLs. |
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◊ 2018-03-26 16:52 |
You sure it’s the keyboard! There is a useful breakdown of the PD2 variants here. Link to "en.m.wikipedia.org") It depends how the admins want to play this, it looks as if it could become very complex, and maybe involve a rethink. Look at the number of sub sub variants! It seems we should be saying PD2-7RT for the RTL, and PD2-6RT for the RTW. Any takers? -- Last edit: 2018-03-26 17:14:17 |
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◊ 2018-03-26 17:44 |
Way above my pay grade to suggest what we do - I'm a follower of experts, not a leader in these matters. But whatever we do and however we do it should be: - accurate within its boundaries, consistent with other sources (even if they are not always consistent), and recognisable as a general description - also easy to apply accurately within our collection of previously identified examples and whatever may arrive tomorrow and the day after - also easy to use by whoever's active in 5 years time, not just the current regulars. Those future folk may pick up the subtleties of how we do it now or they may not, but we should make it as easy as possible. So a vote for a simple-to-use system, and if necessary retreating slightly from full detail if that obstructs practical usage. |
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◊ 2018-03-27 16:38 |
Eight year old laptop CPU was overheating badly. The fan was clogged with dust so it was time for a new one (postmortem plus other components failed in the last year). I resisted changing it but it had to go. New laptop has its downsides small black-on-silver keys, so making more mistakes in typing than normal, operator error also due to advanced age I guess! Display brightness and/or contrast seems more of a problem so experimenting with settings. A quick look at http://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/ London Transport chassis types 6RT and 7RT for RTW and RTL respectively confirming your wiki source. Leyland Titan PD2 (and OPD2) had many sub-classes from PD2/1 to at least PD2/14 issued in numerical order with no 'intelligent' number system. "History of the Leyland Bus" By Ron Phillips... General chassis class: 1947 Leyland Titan PD2 for both RTL and RTW London Transport chassis developed from OPD2 heavy duty (Overseas) chassis. 1948 OPD2/1 6RT London Transport 8ft wide RTW 1948 OPD2/1 7RT London Transport 7ft 6in wide RTL My proposal: Manufacturer: Leyland Model: Titan PD2 Extra Information: RTL or RTW (alternatively RTLXXXX etc where the fleet No is known). example /vehicle_225967-Leyland-Titan-PD2.html I guess this is the simplest to both understand and implement, adding the sub-class 6RT and 7RT is not necessary as RTL and RTW already holds the essential information. Less potential errors also if the sub-classes cannot be wrongly assigned. As many of the current listings 'Titan PD2/3' appears to be wrong for LT use (also 'Titan PD2/1' probably should have the 'O' prefix) but 'Titan PD2' is correct for the overall chassis class, so keep it simple. |
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◊ 2018-03-27 16:57 |
 Looks good to me - nothing obvious where we or our successors would trip over. |
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◊ 2018-03-27 21:02 |
It seems a bit “broad brush” but at least it won’t be inaccurate. Now for the AEC chassis designations.......6MU3RE for instance! -- Last edit: 2018-03-27 21:10:26 |
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◊ 2018-03-28 01:09 |
Just to mop things up - what should we do about this little nest of orphans![[Image: leylandpd2etc.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/leylandpd2etc.jpg) - should they all become Titan Whatevers?? |
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◊ 2018-03-28 09:53 |
If we are going to stop before the forward slash after the “PD2” for instance, yes. While tidying up, we have two orphan SOS types, that could be incorporated in the BMMO buses. There is a QL and an ON, which could join the IM4. |
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◊ 2018-03-28 13:29 |
Done. |
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