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1970 Mercedes-Benz 250 C 2.8 [W114] 
Ep. 5.02Class: Cars, Coupé — Model origin: 
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![1970 Mercedes-Benz 250 C 2.8 [W114]](i001015453.jpg)
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◊ 2017-03-21 12:31 |
1968 or later sidemarker. |
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◊ 2017-03-21 17:54 |
Mercedes is rather difficult identify at times, but one major difference between the [W 114] and the [W 115] is that the [W 114] always had stright six cylinder petrol engines, while the [W 115] had a veriety of engines. Like four cylinder petrol or four and five cylinder Diesel. When concerning four door saloon versions, the [W 115] is without doubt the most common, but the Coupé versions, which this is, always had six cylinder engines. Hence this is a [W 114]. MY 1968-72 because of the door mirror, but other than that it's impossible to tell what model as they all looked the same, regardless of what engine was fitted. Choises of 1968-72 250 C, 1968-72 250 CE or 1969-73 250 C (with 2.8 litre engine). Thus it's at least a 1968+ Mercedes 250 C [W 114]. |
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◊ 2017-03-21 19:23 |
In the US, the 250C was available 1970-72 model years followed by the 280C for 1973-76. Looks like to me this one has US headlights. |
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◊ 2017-03-23 08:44 |
According to Road & Track January 1970, when they tested that particular model, the only model available was the 250 C with a 2.8 liter engine. The author thought Mercedes models used to make sence as the number indicated the displacement of the engine, but at the time when writing that, it had changed. One other example was that the 300 SEL came with either a 2.8 liter or a 6.3 liter engine. If I understand this correctly, the US exhaust legislation killed many horsepower and hence Mercedes tried to compencate that with adding a bigger engine. And I have to stress that that only took place in the US (and possibly Canada ?). Not that it made any greater sence; the author complained that it was rather slow (and thirsty) concidering how expensive the car was. Should it be named "250 C with a 2.8 liter engine" or should it be included in the "Made for USA" flag? Recently the "Made for" flags have been used to indicate that a car was sold in a particular country, which thus has nothing what so ever to do do with the legislation or particular demands for that country. Hence it's not different in any way from other cars sold in other countries. -- Last edit: 2017-03-23 08:48:27 |
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◊ 2017-03-23 08:52 |
The rest we've just included with the "Made for USA" tag. |
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◊ 2017-03-25 11:47 |
So I have been told. A question for admin: But the question remains; this is hugely different from cars sold in, let's say, Europe. Different engine, different illumination, interior, etc. When compare with other cars where a fog light (only addition!) or small side repeaters (only addition!) justify a flag, I don't understand that feature. Apparently cars sold in the UK (steering wheel and much else on the other side) doesn't deserve a flag, and cars sold in Sweden doesn't either although car manufacturers saw Sweden as a nuisance as they had to make such a lot of differences, most of which is not seen from the outside, that some cars were not exported at all. In recent time I've seen examples when the flag means that a car has been sold in a different country than it was originally made. I don't understand  !! -- Last edit: 2017-03-25 11:47:29 |
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◊ 2017-03-25 12:16 |
In this case there's visible differences so "made for USA" is good here. To be honest, lately "made for" is getting totally abused where in the past we had rules about using it (visible differences, different name or something like proof of a specific engine) so maybe it doesn't matter at all. People seem to ignore that just because a car is in a certain country it doesn't mean that it was sold there originally... |
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◊ 2017-03-25 14:26 |
Am I in the spotlight here?? If so, probably guilty as charged. But some logic: 1] I like finding stuff in strange places (eg recently Mauritius, Sierra Leone, whatever), especially if we have no or minimal content highlighted for those places. I've no idea what differences a UK Ford would have there or if visible/recognisable, but there'd be a fair bit of tweaked spec. Also surprises - eg Holdens in East Mediterranean countries, RHD Ford Taunuses in funny places. 2] I also tend to highlight made-fors in places where local assembly is possible but unconfirmed at the moment (eg UK stuff in Aus/NZ/ZA/Kenya/Malta/Caribbean/Cyprus/Israel etc), particularly if we know some models/versions made locally but similar ones as yet unknown. They can then be picked up later if better info found, plus whatever quirks (eg ZA cars being supplied from Rhodesia or vice versa, 1920s-30s US stuff in UK, US origin stuff in Commonwealth probably supplied from CDN etc etc). 3] Sometimes adding made-fors as we go builds up a sample which then shows differences otherwise not listed in sources - eg discovered that Elan S1 for CH seems to have 3 rear lights instead of usual 2, Herald 1200 convertibles in Europe have different grilles from UK. Without the made-for hooks to create the batch, these things would not have become noticeable. Maybe I'm more adventurous than other folk, but in most cases I'm continuing strands of what was often happening before I arrived, albeit maybe below the radar and possibly doing it more consistently. If it's not me in the spotlight, that's fine. But as this has surfaced for discussion, perhaps instead we could collectively start using made-fors more creatively to allow better info to develop?? Probably not worth doing as automatic default, only where actually or potentially useful and allowing some flexibility for hunches and unproven half-ideas to see if they eventually bloom into something useful. |
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◊ 2017-03-29 21:48 |
@dsl and other admin: Because of that one has to flag all cars, or? That is as it's clearly made for the country that it is sold. I thought the flag was only rarely used, in order to highlight very specific legislation. Any idea to highlight bigger modifications? Sometimes the above car is called "250 C with a 2.8 liter engine", which I've seen on the formerly excellent Mercedes wiki site. -- Last edit: 2017-03-29 21:48:49 |
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◊ 2017-03-29 22:42 |
I've mainly said my piece so won't repeat, apart from saying that I think we can usefully be more flexible with made-fors to allow links to emerge. But emphasis is on useful, not something we have to do on all cars - a pointless waste of effort - only as and when it can lead somewhere. Ironic the issue surfaces on this page because the made-for here should be secure as US spec. As for the "250 with 2.8" issue, it nagged away at me for a day or two for faint memory that UK did have a "250 with 2.8" at one point. And this turns out to be true from mid-72. In April 72 the 250/8 saloon disappeared, leaving a gap until Sept 72 when "250 2.8" saloon arrived until June 76, including Sept 73 facelift. No explanation why it wasn't just called plain 280 (unless to avoid confusion with other 280 models in W108 to W116 changeover). Our 250 CE coupe stopped April 72 at same time as 250/8, then reappeared as 280 CE in June 72 alongside new 280 E saloon. |
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◊ 2017-03-30 23:46 |
@dsl: Thank you very much, indeed! |
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