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Calendar of the Year (1936) Possible Taxi 'YY 3582' looks like an Austin 12/4 High Lot but only known registrations are YY4141 to YY4170 and YY6961 to YY7000. It looks so convincing I suspect some numbers are missing from the Mann & Overton list. 2016-04-28 20:40
1931 Dodge LER Star Mobile Newspaper Printing Van by Tomlinson
Calendar of the Year (1936)
The vehicle concerned, a Dodge Brothers machine, supplied by Tomlinson (Marylebone), Ltd. 77 High Street, London, W1 has proved so satisfactory that a further outfit has been put into service. It is identical with the former model in that it has a Dodge Brothers LER chassis with a six-cylindered engine, but twin tyres are used on the rear wheels in place of the single equipment formerly specified.
1931 link Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"
1929 link http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/16th-july-1929/60/a-mobile-printing-press

[Image: starmobileprinting.jpg]

Looks possibly like twin rear wheels to me so 1931 Dodge LER Tomlinson newspaper printing van?

The Dodge LER chassis appears to be a 20-seater bus chassis from 1929 http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/12th-november-1929/160/dodge-brothers

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2016-04-28 19:36
1987 Renault Commando Locomotors
London's Burning (1988-2002)
Not Dodge but Renault after 1987.
They were all sold as Renault Commando (100 series was dropped) G12, G16 and G25 rigid trucks or G20T tractor-trailers.


The Dodge badge was optional for those dealers or customers still looking to use the old UK brand name.
2016-04-28 19:11
Dodge 100 Series Commando Marsden Pantechnicon Body
Juliet Bravo (1980-1985)
I don't know where the idea came from associated with this truck but if there is a Commer/Renault/Dodge connection then the grilles are arranged as the Commer/Dodge Commando, and could be the actual Commer/Dodge grilles...

/vehicle_288406-Dodge-100-Series.html

Commer/Dodge/Renault (with Dodge probably being more numerious) would be possible but why were the initial comments made relating to those makes?
2016-04-28 14:32
Dodge 100 Series Commando Marsden Pantechnicon Body
Juliet Bravo (1980-1985)
It is possible but it does look an earlier generic design in the TV series.

They also used an Albion Reiver chassis with the same generic body. It appears they would use what ever suitable chassis the buyer wanted.

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2016-04-28 13:17
ERF 84 PF
Juliet Bravo (1980-1985)
Yes an ERF I believe. 2016-04-28 11:49
Dodge 100 Series Commando Marsden Pantechnicon Body
Juliet Bravo (1980-1985)
Confirmed that its not a Bedford TK as the Marsden body on the TK also had a large routine engine access panel behind the cab visible here FEL927V flickr

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2016-04-28 11:43
Dodge 100 Series Commando Marsden Pantechnicon Body
Juliet Bravo (1980-1985)
Its possibly a Marsden body (and its likely to be MARSDEN on the front), but the chassis is another matter.

Bedford TKs were popular with Marsden but the extra smaller grilles above the main grille would be unlikely on the Bedford I think.

However I found this Leyland for example, with similar grilles for a normal radiator position but it could be some other chassis?
2016-04-27 22:01
1961 Austin 45 BP tanker
To Koritsi vomva (1976)
... and it looks like this 1961 Austin 45 also possibly 'BP'

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2016-04-27 14:56
1961 Austin 45 BP tanker
To Koritsi vomva (1976)
Morris FF (Morris FF/FH and Austin 45) more likely I think than LAD cab at a quick look, but yes BP tanker. 2016-04-27 13:33
1965 Humber Hawk Series IV
Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) (1969-1971)
1965 Humber Hawk Series IV gets my vote also, as Graham B.

By the almost flat rear glass, six light body, bonnet badge and central rib, full length straight bright strip, windscreen shape and wiper locations which all match.

Humber length is 24in longer than the VW (4674mm/184in Vs 4064mm/160in) it does show a shorter length but the two cars are not quite parallel, distorting I think the difference.

[Image: humbervw1.jpg]
2016-04-26 13:57
1934 Bedford WTH London Metropolitan Police Recovery Vehicle
Pool of London (1951)
Earlier 1932 Bedford WHG 2-Ton used as a London Metropolitan Police Recovery Vehicle in 'Routine Job (1946).

No confirmation of the later vehicle found to date.
2016-04-25 13:44
1955 Bedford 'Rolls-Royce Hearse' by F.A. Albin
London's Burning (1988-2002)
Only possible chassis I think from the 1955 date would be a Bedford A2 25cwt van or ambulance chassis 119" wheelbase?

But as said previously it could be registered as a 'Bedford' based only on the engine used.
2016-04-25 12:04
1942 Commer Q25 Superpoise Forward Control
Up in the World (1956)
First introduced as Q25 (also Q2) Superpoise forward control in August 1941 for essential civilian use and more general use after 1945, it was based on Q25 and Q2 Superpoise normal control chassis.

Superpoise was used by Commer for all trucks and vans except for the lightest, car-derived vans. It was first used from April 1939 for the Q series 1½-ton to 6-tons, followed by the S (1948), T (1953) and B (1955) series.

According the 'Commercial Motor' in 1939 "Superpoise" suggested mechanical correctness, graceful proportions, balance and efficiency.
2016-04-24 15:48
1932 Bedford WHG 2-Ton London Metropolitan Police Recovery Vehicle
Routine Job (1946)
From January 1932 onwards when introduced; the Bedford breakdown lorry was based on the Bedford short wheelbase 2-tonner, body by Spurling .

[Image: bedfordbreakdownlorry.jpg]

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2016-04-23 19:52
1974 Bedford YRT Plaxton Panorama Elite III
Breaking Glass (1980)
PRV690N Bedford YRT Plaxton body December 1974 Byng,Portsmouth http://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/ 2016-04-23 12:31
1943 Crossley Q Type 'Donkey' Tractor
Routine Job (1946)
RAF 'Queen-Mary' trailer behind a Crossley tractor unit, one of two seen.

[Image: rjtrailer1.jpg][Image: rjcrossley2.jpg] [Image: rjcrossley21.jpg]

A Crossley 4x4 tractor chassis showing the same typical exhaust pipe location as in the movie.
[Image: fwd_chassis.jpg]
source http://www.crossley-motors.org.uk/history/military/FWD/fwd.html
2016-04-22 13:46
Routine Job (1946) JCB, I have confirmed the identification of the two Crossleys seen from the rear. The screen captures are reasonably sharp. However some of the others are more blurred or out of focus. I will review a few of the others I disregarded initially and add as necessary, later on.

I will work on listing a few other background vehicles and then if they are of little of no interest I can delete them back to the comments.
2016-04-22 13:07
1932 Bedford WHG 2-Ton London Metropolitan Police Recovery Vehicle
Routine Job (1946)
Its just possible the later recovery truck appeared in more than one movie I guess; if it was used once another occurrence is a possibility, however slim.

However the majority movies and TV series would not normally have access to actual Metropolitan Police vehicles. The Scotland Yard short films with Edgar Lustgarten is unlikely for example (I have watched about a third of the episodes).
2016-04-21 12:48
1935 ERF OE3
Routine Job (1946)
By the 1946 movie date 1935 OE3, OE4, 1936 C15 or C16.

ERF OE3 OE4 rather than C15 or C16 I think with the Curved, flush radiator.
2016-04-20 11:34
1921 Leyland G-Range
Routine Job (1946)
JCB I believe you were right about it being a Leyland, but slightly later than the subsidy, RAF type.

Its radiator matches the Leyland G-Range better than the Scammell. The thickness of the sides of the radiator frame is slimmer I think than a Scammell's.

The size and shape is very similar to this Leyland G-Range except for the cab roof which could have been replaced.
2016-04-20 11:05
1937 Railton Eight Sandown Saloon Metropolitan Police Flying Squad
Routine Job (1946)
On more than one occasion, the Hendon police training school also raced them against the Bentley Drivers Club. So a Straight Eight is necessary if they were to compete.

"The last event was the exciting 'Gestapo' Grand Prix, in which Radford and Marechal tied for best time with 2 min. 22 sec., and Steele drove the police 4½-litre Lagonda and Skeggs the police Railton in a very skilled manner." Motor Sport Magazine archive July 1949.
2016-04-19 21:44
1937 Railton Eight Sandown Saloon Metropolitan Police Flying Squad
Routine Job (1946)
I admire your dedication, both johnfromstaffs and dsl, to add to the information (or confusion) this earlier Flying Squad saloon had 18 louvres, by my count.

"Probably the Flying Squads most famous car the Railton Staight Eight Saloon of 1933..."

http://www.veloce.co.uk/shop/graphics/pdf/V201.pdf

[Image: flyingsquad.jpg]

...but it does appear that at one time they preferred the straight eight and not the six..

also this forthcoming release from Brooklin Models, a 1939 Flying Squad Railton eight or six not specified!


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2016-04-19 18:50
1937 Railton Eight Sandown Saloon Metropolitan Police Flying Squad
Routine Job (1946)
johnfromstaffs wrote ELL a London County Council series which ran from Nov 1937 to July 1938.

Counting the bonnet louvres and then counting those on the two pictures in Sedgwick and Gillies suggests that this is a six cylinder car.
It also suggests that I need a bigger magnifying glass.


What count did you get for 6-cyl and 8-cyl johnfromstaffs?

My count on two illustrations on these pages was 17 louvres (also in the movie) for both six and eight? Not definitive by any means and not conclusive.

Eight - http://uniquecarsandparts.com/lost_marques_railton.htm
Six - http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/classic-car-images/railton.jpg
2016-04-19 17:01
Routine Job (1946) More background vehicles...

[Image: clipboard.jpg] [Image: rjbackground4peg7.jpg] [Image: rjbackground11.jpg] [Image: rjbackground23.jpg] [Image: rjmultiy17.jpg]

Also what looks like an RAF 'Queen-Mary' trailer behind possibly a Crossley tractor unit, one of two seen.
[Image: rjmultix16.jpg] [Image: rjtrailer1.jpg]

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2016-04-19 16:33
1937 Austin Ten Cambridge
Routine Job (1946)
On screen for sometime but only seen from the rear. 2016-04-19 15:59
1939 Bedford MWD
Routine Job (1946)
Appears to have soft-top and aero-screens - early version before full cab.

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2016-04-19 15:57
1937 Railton Eight Sandown Saloon Metropolitan Police Flying Squad
Routine Job (1946)
I think the idea of a car chase was never high on priorities.

They would radio ahead, or be in position directed by the control room, and a copper would just raise his arm and the villains would stop. A lot more relaxed in those days if the film is to be believed. All the villains would offer information to the police and when apprehended 'come-quietly'. No rough stuff.
2016-04-19 14:22
1937 Railton Eight Sandown Saloon Metropolitan Police Flying Squad
Routine Job (1946)
The radio and radio operator (morse-code!) was in the back so hiding said equipment would be important!

[Image: rjradio11.jpg]
2016-04-19 14:13
Routine Job (1946) [Image: rjtitle11.jpg] [Image: rjtitle22.jpg] [Image: rjtitle33.jpg]

http://film.britishcouncil.org/routine-job

A Story of Scotland Yard with the main actors being CID and uniformed police from the London Metropolitan Police.
'The film tells the story of the patient tracing, and final capture of motor thieves. The methods used by Scotland Yard are shown in some detail.'
(Films of Britain - British Council Film Department Catalogue - 1946)

[Image: rjacecafe2.jpg]
The London North Circular Road location for the robbery appears to be the well-known Ace Cafe in its wartime temporary premises.

[Image: ace20archive20x2012a.jpg]
In its original pre-war premises before suffering bomb damage.

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2016-04-19 13:15
1937 Railton Eight Sandown Saloon Metropolitan Police Flying Squad
Routine Job (1946)
Listed as being used by the London Metropolitan Police

http://www.oldclassiccar.co.uk/railtoncars.htm
http://railton.org/category/history

"Production began in 1933 and continued up until the outbreak of WWII. Six cars were assembled during the war for use by the Metropolitan Police. After the war four more cars were built using chassis stored for the duration and two cars were constructed on post war chassis."

Eight or Six cylinder used by the Metropolitan Police? To be confirmed. Potentially, depending when filmed, a new vehicle on a post war or stored chassis as no war-time 'blackout' paint visible, unlike the MP recovery truck.

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2016-04-19 12:56
1937 Railton Eight Sandown Saloon Metropolitan Police Flying Squad
Routine Job (1946)
Used as, and possibly an actual Metropolitan Police 'Flying Squad' radio car, like most of the police vehicles. 2016-04-19 12:14
1932 Bedford WHG 2-Ton London Metropolitan Police Recovery Vehicle
Routine Job (1946)
Possibly Bedford WHG 1931-1934 2-ton short wheelbase which would also pre-date this Bedford WTH London Metropolitan Police Recovery Vehicle 2016-04-19 11:44
1932 Bedford WHG 2-Ton London Metropolitan Police Recovery Vehicle
Routine Job (1946)
[Image: rjtru19.jpg] 2016-04-19 11:13
1935 Morris-Commercial C11/30F 30cwt Van
Routine Job (1946)
[Image: rjc113.jpg] [Image: rjb10.jpg]

Registration number BYT18

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2016-04-19 11:05
1937 Railton Eight Sandown Saloon Metropolitan Police Flying Squad
Routine Job (1946)
[Image: rja_13.jpg] [Image: rja_15.jpg] [Image: rja_16.jpg] 2016-04-19 11:01
1970 Ford Cortina 1600E MkII
The Sweeney (1975-1978)
Incorrect registration...ELE not ELL certainly - and probably ELE 475J

Vehicle details ELE 475J
Vehicle make FORD
Date of first registration 10 September 1970
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1599cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No Vehicle status
Not taxed

AND Vehicle colour GOLD
2016-04-18 16:55
1954 Morrison-Electricar ED25 Milk Float
The Italian Job (1969)
Morrison-Electricar ED25 (25-cwt) Milk Float introduced May 1954.

[Image: ed25.jpg]
2016-04-18 12:02
1939 AEC Regent
Market Town (1942)
Found confirmation of AEC Regent chassis.

Michael Elliot's comment in Old Bus Photos. The use of forward entrance double deckers in the East Midlands before World War II was not confined to Barton. Midland General/Mansfield District on AEC Regents were users of front entrance layouts also.
2016-04-17 14:18
1939 AEC Regent
Market Town (1942)
Mansfield District AEC chassis with Metropolitan-Cammell Weymann rear-platform type bodies as supplied in 1932 as background information; clearly an earlier design than that in the movie, but the AEC-MCW connection may have been extended later?

Mansfield changes from trams to buses 1932
Mansfield's new buses 1932

No details found to date regarding pre-war front entrance bodies being supplied to Mansfield District, unless they were purchased by a previous bus company and absorbed or assigned to Mansfield District?
2016-04-17 13:41
1951 Commer Q4 Superpoise 3 Ton 4x4 GS
Jack the Giant Killer (2013)
It looks to be a ex-military Commer Q4 Superpoise 3 ton 4x4 GS 2016-04-16 14:06
1965 Vauxhall Cresta [PB]
Jack the Giant Killer (2013)
Almost certain it is. It appears to have the same rear window demister fitted - the type that you added yourself with the thick elements - :/ 2016-04-16 14:01
1935 Triumph Ten-Four 5cwt Van
Market Town (1942)
dsl wrote Nice to see it solved by an obscure photo from a remote part of Orkney!


Remarkable what a little fishing will do!
2016-04-15 15:32
1935 Triumph Ten-Four 5cwt Van
Market Town (1942)
The more rounded roof line, (lower over the cargo area than a 8-cwt?), and continuous belt-line from cab door to rear makes me believe it is a Triumph Ten-Four 5cwt van about 1935.

[Image: triumphvans.jpg]
From CM Archive articles.
2016-04-15 15:30
1935 Triumph Ten-Four 5cwt Van
Market Town (1942)
johnfromstaffs I'm again impressed - how did you find it as a Triumph?

I've searched the CM archive but I over-estimated I think the size of the van. The radiator does look like the Triumph, front wings look variable so may not be reliable and the cab roof being more rounded not flat makes me think it dates from after 1935 and probably 5cwt rather than 8cwt?

A little more research and reading required I think.

Triumph 5cwt van description and road test...
http://archive.commercialmotor.com/article/20th-january-1933/50/a-new-5-cwt-delivery
Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

Triumph Ten-Four 5cwt and 8cwt van in 1935
"The Triumph models are the 5-cwt. and 8-cwt. vans, giving extra large capacity and a low loading line ensured by the underneath worm drive. The larger model has an illuminated advertising panel above the cab." page 430 here
2016-04-15 14:59
1935 Triumph Ten-Four 5cwt Van
Market Town (1942)
No suggestions?

I cannot find anything similar... Registration is not visible due to poor film print Possibly about 8-10cwt...
2016-04-15 12:27
1939 AEC Regent
Market Town (1942)
Mansfield District is more than likely correct...

[Image: districtadj.jpg]
Xxxxxxxx District company name is visible.

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2016-04-15 11:57
1939 Leyland Tiger TS8 Weymann Body
Market Town (1942)
Possibly registered 'AFU538' or, as you suggested dsl, 'AFU838' as seen in other captures. Lincolnshire Road Car Co. fleet No. LT561 is visible in the movie by the front entrance.


1939 Leyland Tiger TS8 Lincolnshire Road Car Co., fleet No. LT561.
2016-04-15 11:33
1935 Vauxhall Light Six [DY/DX]
Market Town (1942)
DY/DX appearance as this /vehicle_27149-Vauxhall-Light-Six-DY-DX-1936.html from June 1933 (1935/1936)

Best estimation of registration variously BAL402 or EAL408

AL Nottinghamshire, almost certainly, otherwise EAL/BAL/KAL or less likely DAL.
2016-04-14 21:47
1933 Morris-Commercial C12/40F
Market Town (1942)
Six-stud wheels, not eight, with double rears makes it a 2-tonner, so 40F (40cwt forward control). Of the possible wheelbases 11,12 or 13 ft it appears to be the middle length.

Therefore C12/40F four-cylinder (or CS12/40F for six-cylinder).
2016-04-14 19:31

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