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French Communiqué (1940)
Little detail in the main picture but looks somewhat like Commer N2 2-ton chassis, however bonnet louvres point to Bedford WHG 2-ton chassis with custom cab and body.
British army registeration looks rather late for 1940? and RHD.

Any idea of the function of the vehicle and reason for the boards on the roof?
2016-03-25 16:50
1937 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 Balloon Winch [97]
Bataillon du ciel (1947)
Thanks dsl :)

Potentially it was RMC186 November 1938, if what I see of the number-plate and the following logic is correct. Of course they may have been some 'mixing' if chassis were waiting for winches to be added or waiting to be registered?

Evidence seen here in the CM article that PMG45 and PMG508 were the later Barrel Nosed cab unit so presumably before March 1939 RMG186.

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2016-03-25 16:40
1937 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 Balloon Winch [97]
Bataillon du ciel (1947)
The earlier 1937 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 Balloon Winch model 79 and not [E917T] by the wider side louvres in the bonnet sides.
[Image: fordson37_38.jpg]

Possibly RMG186 or RMC186 registration?
2016-03-25 13:13
1939 Fordson V8 15cwt Van 'Barrel Nose'
War Library Items 1,2,3 (1940)
Following this discussion /vehicle_899816-Fordson-Sussex-79-1937.html this is the later 'Barrel Nose' front used from early 1939, not model 85, therefore would probably have an E-prefix chassis number.

edit-For reference: German Ford van with similar Barrel Nose front design.

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2016-03-25 11:43
1937 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 Balloon Winch [79]
Squadron 992 (1940)
Vehicle added following rattle on's comment here

/vehicle.php?id=899394

rattle on wrote Not all 1939 barrel nosed models one mid thirties model right side second row down from main picture


Sunbar wrote Well spotted 'rattle on' there are both 1937 Fordsons [Model 79] and 1938 Fordsons (Barrel Nose) [E817T/917T] in the convoy.

Fordson Model 79 introduced May 1937 and the Barrel Nose in April 1938

[Image: fordson37_38.jpg]



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2016-03-24 19:34
1939 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 Balloon Winch [E917T]
Squadron 992 (1940)
Well spotted 'rattle on' there are both 1937 Fordsons [Model 79] and 1938 Fordsons (Barrel Nose) [E817T/917T] in the convoy.

Fordson Model 79 introduced May 1937 and the Barrel Nose in April 1938

[Image: fordson37_38.jpg]

Current listing of 1939 registered vehicles left unchanged as E917T; although it is not known currently if any were made in 1938 (as E817T).

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2016-03-24 19:28
1957 Bedford RL
Father Goose (1964)
1957 onwards grille. 2016-03-24 12:06
Father Goose (1964) Filming location Ocho Rios, Jamaica.

Second thumbnail is probably a Bedford QL (or possibly a Fordson WOT6). The first is less easy; if British could be a 1938 Bedford WHG (with a damaged headlight?).
2016-03-24 11:54
1939 Vauxhall 14/6 [J]
Squadron 992 (1940)
CTMxxx January 1939 onwards, a Bedfordshire-issued number; therefore if Luton, possibly another Vauxhall connection. 2016-03-23 18:59
1939 Vauxhall 14/6 [J]
Squadron 992 (1940)
...it looked like a Vauxhall to me.

Vauxhall 14/6 [J] perhaps - with no certainty as I know little of pre 1950s Vauxhalls...

/vehicle_515652-Vauxhall-14-6-J-1939.html

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2016-03-23 17:19
1939 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 Balloon Winch [E917T]
Squadron 992 (1940)
A very good description here and many more detailed photographs by a member of the Balloon Barrage Reunion Club, associated with its restoration.

Also a clarification of the E917T chassis designation,

E = English Fordson
9 = year of manufacture 1939
(1) = 221 cubic inch engine
7 = 157 inch wheelbase
T = truck

So not only relevant to balloon winches but trucks in general.

Probably primarily military spec. as its doubtful if many civilian trucks were produced after 1939 or how many (if any) were made alongside the WOT series.
2016-03-23 16:59
Squadron 992 (1940) Having seen the Youtube listing, and its certainly one of the best war documentaries of the time, its interesting that all early personnel were men.

Later on the majority were women both in the RAF balloon squadrons and manufacturing the balloons.

[Image: barrage_ballons.jpg]

Link to "en.wikipedia.org"

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2016-03-23 14:19
Squadron 992 (1940) Balloon training was at RAF Cardington Bedfordshire, the preserverved airship hangers are listed buildings.

RAF No. 1 Balloon Training Unit at the Imperial War Museum

Lately they are being used for HAV-3 and flight testing is due April 2016.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybrid_Air_Vehicles_HAV-3

dsl wrote
Wonderfully strange early training footage
[Image: 04-00shed.jpg] [Image: 04-00shedb.jpg]

[Image: 04-00shedc.jpg] [Image: 04-00shedd05-10.jpg]

[Image: 04-00shede.jpg] [Image: 04-00shedf06-28.jpg]




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2016-03-23 13:11
1936 Commer 8cwt Van
Squadron 992 (1940)
[Image: 1936commer.jpg]
1936 Commer 8cwt van

[Image: 1938supervan.jpg]
1939 Commer 8cwt 'Supervan'

I guess its the earlier van? Minx based with side hinged bonnet not rear hinged one-piece as the later Supervan.

Although Supervan could be a bit extreme for the 1939 van?
edit: 'Supervan' looks to be chosen to fit with the 1939 Q-series 'Superpoise' trucks.

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2016-03-23 12:50
1939 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 [E917T]
Squadron 992 (1940)
Initially, on the 1935 Fordson BBE, County Commercials did the conversions; later they supplied the parts and Ford actually built the trucks as 6x2 and 6x4 from scratch, keeping the Surry and Sussex names.

Interesting to see non-balloon winch vehicles and I guess they should be E917T chassis as well?

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2016-03-23 12:18
1939 Bedford M-Type
Squadron 992 (1940)
M-type, yes. 2016-03-23 12:10
1937 Albion unknown Merryweather
War Library Items 1,2,3 (1940)
Albion - Merryweather as sold to London Fire Brigade 1937.

"London County Council,
Merryweather and Sons, Ltd. has recently supplied a further two motor pumps to the London Fire Brigade. One machine is a breathing-apparatus pump, and the other a " dual-purpose" engine which is fitted, in addition to a powerful Merryweather fire pump, with first-aid equipment and arrangements for carrying a wheeled fire-escape. Each machine has an Albion-Merryweather chassis as its basis, the six-cylindered engine developing 115 b.h.p."
Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

[Image: albionmerryweatherlfb.jpg]
2016-03-23 11:25
1939 Fordson V8 15cwt Van 'Barrel Nose'
War Library Items 1,2,3 (1940)
Model 85 I guess, if based on these...

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1938-FORD-85-PICKUP-15563
http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C585484
2016-03-23 11:11
1939 Fordson V8 15cwt Van 'Barrel Nose'
War Library Items 1,2,3 (1940)
[Image: fordson15cwtvan.jpg]

Fordson 15cwt van introduced October 1937

It needs too be identified more fully, if possible.

edit: It looks to share the same chassis and engine as this Fordson V8 'ARP' unit...

[Image: fordsonv8arpunit-van.jpg]

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2016-03-22 22:00
1939 Fordson V8 15cwt Van 'Barrel Nose'
War Library Items 1,2,3 (1940)
I am not yet aware of Ford UK assembling a light (15-25 cwt?) van of this design.

I have only found these as a 2-ton or 3-ton truck currently, as the 1937 Fordson V8 Model 79.
2016-03-22 21:34
1933 Austin 12/4 Taxi 'High Lot' - Wartime Volunteer Fire Engine
War Library Items 1,2,3 (1940)
ALR701 to ALR750 1933 Austin 12/4 Taxi, High Lot - Jones Body. 2016-03-22 21:24
1939 Bedford M-Type Extra Heavy Duty
War Library Items 1,2,3 (1940)
dsl wrote ..

Presumably another 1939 Bedford M-Type Extra Heavy Duty like FYH 39?


Agreed, I believe so.
2016-03-22 21:17
1936 Bedford WTL Wartime Volunteer Fire Engine
War Library Items 1,2,3 (1940)
August 1934 onwards Bedford WTL (3 ton 157" long wheelbase Truck semi forward control). It looks to be the standard Bedford dropside lorry.

The first Bedford four wheel drive truck I believe was the 1941 Bedford QL 3-Ton 4x4 Truck for Ministry of Supply, (143" wheelbase). In development before 1939 but only ordered by the war department after 1940.
2016-03-22 21:06
1952 Bedford M-Type
The Professionals (1977-1983)
The BBC used Bedfords and other trucks in the early 1950s...

"Purely goods transport is frequently required during the more ambitious 'outside broadcasts. For fetching and carrying any tackle, spare parts and even spare (h)ands?, the department operates 39 vans of between 30-cwt. and 2-ton capacity. These are of Austin, Bedford, Commer and Fordson manufacture and perform many tasks."

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

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2016-03-22 14:06
1924 Thornycroft A1 30cwt Forward Control - Refuse Lorry
The City (1939)
It looks to me to be possibly earlier than the Karrier GYR 2½-ton introduced in January 1929

Guy, Thornycroft and Vulcan plus of course the SD Freighter also has small-wheeled low loaders but not of this forward control engine-wheelbase type, I think.

[Image: lcclondonrefusecoll.jpg]
Picture reversed and lightened showing London/LCC Corporation?

Nothing found to date showing which manufactures London/LCC purchased in the 1920s.
2016-03-21 13:46
1939 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 Balloon Winch [E917T]
The First Days (1939)
Fordson Sussex (and Surrey) were six-wheeled civilian trucks rated at 4-6 tons, in military specification the Sussex was a 3-tonner. Therefore adding the full description is helpful I think. 2016-03-20 13:23
1965 AEC Routemaster RML
Licence to Kill (1989)
Looks possibly to be, although not certain, RML2315 (registered CUV315C) September 1965. 2016-03-20 12:00
1935 Commer B2 20-25 cwt Van Peek Frean's Biscuits
The First Days (1939)
1935 Commer B-series 20-25cwt forward control chassis with Peek Frean's van body.

[Image: commer15cwtchassis.jpg]

B-series range of vehicles (Rootes Archive)

1934-1935 Commer B2 20-25cwt
1934-1935 Commer B3 3 ton truck or 20 seat bus
1934-1935 Commer B3 30cwt 'Raider'
1932-1936 Commer B4 40cwt 'Centaur'
1933-1935 Commer B5 50cwt 'Centurian'
1935-1935 Commer B2G 20-25cwt


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2016-03-20 11:37
Austin 12/4 Taxi 'High Lot' Wartime Volunteer Fire Engine
The First Days (1939)
"several thousand taxi drivers have, with their vehicles, joined the auxiliary fire service. These particularly mobile machines have rapidly been converted to trail self-contained fire pumps of efficient types." This was in September 1939 and by March 1940 these were being released back to taxi usage as the AFS was able to meet London's needs and I guess the worst of the blitz bombing was over. 2016-03-19 20:51
1933 Austin 12/4 Taxi 'Low Loader' Wartime Volunteer Fire Engine
The First Days (1939)
dsl wrote ...if it's a taxi is it this one - /vehicle_898192-Austin-12-4-Taxi.html - with its adopted fire pump?? (although sequencing in film is back to front - if it's the same this should come afterwards)


Different taxis I believe as the other one identified in the movie is a 'High Lot' and this one is almost certainly a later 'Low-Loader' (but not a 'Flash-Lot').
2016-03-19 20:17
1933 Austin 12/4 Taxi 'Low Loader' Wartime Volunteer Fire Engine
The First Days (1939)
Confirmed Austin 12/4 Taxi Low Loader Volunteer Fire Engine.

[Image: taxiframe.jpg]
Area as shown above on a London taxi.

Possibly 110V on the side 110th Voluntary unit?

Therefore similar to this example...

[Image: volanteerfire72nd.jpg]
2016-03-19 20:08
1933 Austin 12/4 Taxi 'Low Loader' Wartime Volunteer Fire Engine
The First Days (1939)
Looks probably to be a London taxi in use as a wartime fire engine...

Too small for a fire engine, the luggage platform with a hose and passenger door at the side.

Most likely an Austin 12/4 taxi but unsure about the spoked wheel design and how it fits in, could be a clue.
2016-03-19 19:42
1921 Leyland G-Range
The First Days (1939)
G-Range yes, I cannot determine the external difference for GH vehicles (built alongside G2, G4, G6 and G8 trucks from 1923).

1921 G2 30-cwt truck
1921 G4 2-3 Ton truck
1921 G6 4-5 Ton truck
1921 G8 6-Ton truck
2016-03-19 14:38
1935 Morris-Commercial G2 Junior Taxi
Der Sommer 1939 (2009)
Also seen here /vehicle.php?id=898196 2016-03-19 14:32
1935 Morris-Commercial G2 Junior Taxi
The First Days (1939)
1934 Morris-Commercial G2 Junior Taxi I believe again as seen before, reused in Der Sommer 1939 2016-03-19 14:30
1938 Morris-Commercial LC1 30cwt Van as 'Emergency Ambulance'
The First Days (1939)
1937-40 Morris-Commercial LC (LC1 following later naming convention) 30cwt long wheelbase, 30cwt by the single rear wheels. 2016-03-19 14:19
1938 Fordson V8 3-Ton Tipper 'Barrel Nose' [E814T]
The First Days (1939)
Does not I think match the Fordson model 79, which had a different front wing, slimmer, lower and longer

[Image: fordson79flip.jpg]

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2016-03-19 11:02
Dennis Mace
The First Days (1939)
Full-frontal Dennis Mace (new to me) after a search...

https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/15903268352/
2016-03-18 22:05
1931 Bedford WHG 2-Ton
The First Days (1939)
1931 Bedford WHG 2-Ton chassis I think. - with non-standard cab (and specialised body-livestock?) 2016-03-18 21:55
1938 Fordson V8 3-Ton Tipper 'Barrel Nose' [E814T]
The First Days (1939)
Not IH K-series I think, head-lights too high and cab window is the wrong shape.

Something different from the US...
2016-03-18 21:50
1938 Fordson 7V 3-Ton
The First Days (1939)
Fordson 7V, agreed, larger rectangular side glass and typical swage lines.

The door handle is in the earlier (higher) position and should never be at that angle. Something is broken or detached from the latch mechanism.

edit: Not a tipper but a normal drop-side builder's lorry 1938 7V 3-ton 144" wheelbase (early 1939 tipper was 4-6 ton 118" wheelbase).

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2016-03-18 21:38
Austin 12/4 Taxi 'High Lot' Wartime Volunteer Fire Engine
The First Days (1939)
Austin 12/4 Taxi 'High Lot' 2016-03-18 21:27
1936 Fordson V8 15 cwt [67]
The First Days (1939)
/vehicle_598254-Fordson-V8-Ambulance-67-1936.html

https://en.wheelsage.org/ford/v8/81110/pictures/i04t6k/

Fordson V8 model 67 I think.

[Image: fordspnv867.jpg]


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2016-03-18 21:20
1935 Commer B2 20-25 cwt Van Peek Frean's Biscuits
The First Days (1939)
Peek Frean's Commer N2 30cwt with the same livery.

[Image: pfreans.jpg]

Not I think a Commer in the movie, which looks higher and has I think a more upright front.

1933 Morris-Commercial C11/30F 30cwt as a first guess, edit: eliminated.

Also a 1936 Peek Frean's Thornycroft Handy - eliminated

[Image: thandy.jpg]

The spoked military pattern wheels are not found on most f/control vans plus hinged doors.

Perhaps the forward control 1933-1936 Morris-Commercial 1-ton T2F? - no pictures found to determine

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2016-03-18 20:03
1936 Hudson Terraplane Six
London - The Modern Babylon (2012)
The Hudson Essex Motor Company formed in 1922 was well established in the UK, when it moved from Acton to Chiswick in the spring of 1926.

The motor works assembled vehicles from imported 'completely knocked down' kits with interior trim and seats produced locally in English leather.

http://twincam-serendipity.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/the-hudson-motor-company.html
Link to "www.motorsportmagazine.com"

[Image: hudsonltd.jpg]
2016-03-18 19:00
1936 Hudson Terraplane Six
London - The Modern Babylon (2012)
The other event with an unknown limousine is still proving to be a problem with no newsreel footage found in the 1920s or 1930s as yet!

-- Last edit: 2016-03-18 19:02:27
2016-03-18 16:53
1936 Hudson Terraplane Six
London - The Modern Babylon (2012)
Views appear to match a 1936 Hudson Terraplane Six

[Image: 1936hudsonfrt.jpg] [Image: 1936hudsonside.jpg] [Image: 1936hudsonrear.jpg]

Bonnet side vents, divided rear window, side glass shape and location relative to rear wheel-arch.
2016-03-18 16:40
1939 Fordson Sussex 3 ton 6x4 Balloon Winch [E917T]
The First Days (1939)
1939 [E917T] Fordson Sussex Balloon Winch similar to (edit) updated listing Fordson Sussex Balloon Winch model 79

[Image: fi.jpg] [Image: fi2.jpg]

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

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2016-03-18 11:59
1961 Foden S21
The Young Poisoner's Handbook (1995)
A 1961 Foden S21 'Graham Ellis of Chagford, Devon' as identified here 2016-03-17 20:11
1935 Leyland Cub FK
Every Five Minutes (1951)
Bonnet arrangement (including handle), scuttle panel, front wing and side-light plus the overall engine size with a relatively small escape ladder suggest a 1935 Leyland Cub FK I believe.

http://ccmv.aecsouthall.co.uk/p980092860/h4917DF1E#h4917df1e
2016-03-17 19:43

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