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1922 unknown
London Off the Track (1924)
The railways had a near monopoly on long distance freight until the 1930s. It would either be a one-off haulage job or the truck was moved south permanently.

I agree about trying to identify lorries and some vans from the 1920s - almost impossible and many more uncommon makes that eventually failed.

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2016-01-27 12:34
1922 AEC S-Type
London Off the Track (1924)
edit: missed the fact there are three buses here so got confused! ...

XM is an S-type.

-- Last edit: 2016-01-27 13:00:10
2016-01-27 12:16
1909 unknown
London Off the Track (1924)
The early Renault or Charron taxis would be the most numerous at the time, but Unic and Belsize would be comparatively newer in design so may have survived better into the 1920s.

Many other makes were around in 1908, but in very low number I guess, the 'Pilot' and the 'Thames' for example, all taxicabs having the similar body.

Trying to find any identifiable feature from the rear is going to be a problem.
2016-01-27 11:59
Thornycroft unknown Charabanc
London's Free Shows (1924)
dsl wrote

.... Also intrigued by what's behind it - looks as if someone's taken a charabanc body off its chassis and parked it on the pavement ?!?! Or??


Yes well spotted - a charabanc it could be a body only but that would normally be parked, off the chassis, in the lorry owner's yard.

...but I think it is a complete vehicle parked alongside the pavement I can just see an extra pair of wheels behind the subject vehicle and the rear overhang can be quite large.

-- Last edit: 2016-01-26 21:29:16
2016-01-26 21:28
Dennis unknown Morris-Magirus Turntable Ladder
London's Free Shows (1924)
Presumably Dennis chassis with Morris-Magirus turntable ladder?

... Morris Magirus turntable ladders were badged for John Morris & Co, the Magirus importer in to the UK, but they had no connection to Morris Motors

http://www.fire-engine-photos.com/picture/number26110

-- Last edit: 2016-01-26 18:55:29
2016-01-26 18:54
Dennis unknown Morris-Magirus Turntable Ladder
London's Free Shows (1924)
[Image: morris-dennisturntableladder.jpg]
Found as a Morris-Dennis Turntable Ladder

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"
Six of the turntable ladders are mounted on Tilling-Stevens chassis, and Morris-Dennis built the other three.
Morris-Dennis is new to me? - So further info required.

-- Last edit: 2016-01-26 17:55:46
2016-01-26 17:54
1920 Clement-Talbot 25-50hp Ambulance Huddart Body
London's Free Shows (1924)
Found as Clement-Talbot 25-50hp Ambulance with Huddart Body purchased between 1920-1925

[Image: clement-talbotambhuddardbody.jpg]

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

The handle on the side of the bonnet is the same so should be the Clement-Talbot rather than the Dennis (without the handle) also same body as in the movie.

-- Last edit: 2016-01-26 17:13:12
2016-01-26 17:04
1920 Unic 12/14 hp Taxi
London's Free Shows (1924)
Yes, agreed. 2016-01-26 13:02
1920 Clement-Talbot 25-50hp Ambulance Huddart Body
London's Free Shows (1924)
Dennis chassis here but with slightly different ambulance body...

[Image: lccdennis.jpg]

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"
2016-01-26 12:59
1922 Crossley Ambulance LCC
London's Free Shows (1924)
Previous 1914 Armstrong-Whitworth Ambulance LCC here...

/vehicle.php?id=793237
2016-01-26 12:46
1914 Armstrong-Whitworth Ambulance LCC
A Day In The Life Of A London Policeman (1917)
Armstrong-Whitworth LCC ambulance following description here...
/vehicle_880892-LCC-Ambulance-1922.html
2016-01-26 12:43
1922 Crossley Ambulance LCC
London's Free Shows (1924)
[Image: 14822659161_41bc883e53_o.jpg]
Armstrong-Whitworth LCC Ambulance

[Image: 14ambulance.jpg]
Later Crossley Ambulance (1926)

Bonnet height suggests Crossley to me?

-- Last edit: 2016-01-26 12:53:39
2016-01-26 12:27
1922 Crossley Ambulance LCC
London's Free Shows (1924)
Armstrong-Whitworth (eight in use) or Crossley chassis (four in use) with LCC body.

"The bodies of the ambulances are enamelled white and bear the inscription " L.C.C. Ambulance" with the coat of arms of the London County Council emblazoned in blue and gold above. Two windows fitted with tinted glass are provided in each side with ventilators above, and there are also windows in the front. and back. Double doors of the whole width of the car open out at the back. The interior is roomy and accommodation for three patients in a recumbent reposition. All ambulances are fitted with pneumatic tyres, single in front and twin at the rear."

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

[Image: lccanb.jpg]
2016-01-26 12:07
1920 Clement-Talbot 25-50hp Ambulance Huddart Body
London's Free Shows (1924)
Yes ambulance, with illuminated red cross on roof I think.

Determining the maker without a good view of the front is difficult. Dennis, Wolseley etc.?
2016-01-26 11:51
2012 MINI Cooper S John Cooper Works [R56]
Left to Die (2012)
Yes, side-markers on wheel-arches are not found on other (e.g. European) models. 2016-01-26 11:38
1908 Charron 15hp 4-Cylinder Taxi
The Talking Car (1969)
Probably another 1908 Charron 15hp 4-Cylinder Taxi

/vehicle_26796-Charron-15hp-1908.html
2016-01-25 19:28
1908 Charron 15hp 4-Cylinder Taxi
Swiss Miss (1938)
This is almost certainly a 1908 Charron 15hp Taxi, as used in London, the taximeter is clearly visible.

[Image: charrontaxi1913.jpg] [Image: charrontaxi1909.jpg]
1908 Charron 15hp 4-cyl. (and the earlier 2 cylinder model)

[Image: charrontypex.jpg]

The Charron Type X (for info.)

-- Last edit: 2016-01-25 19:19:34
2016-01-25 19:18
1920 Unic 12/14 hp Taxi
London's Free Shows (1924)
Unic chassis originally imported then built in UK (at least before April 1924). I will look for further details if possible.

"The Unic has steadily increased its reputation for reliability and consistent running since its first appearance in numbers, and it is new entirely built in this country."

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

Bodies: Mann and Overtons, Ltd. London (Olympia Show - London 1913)
• The prominent position which this undertaking holds in the industry for body building including the 12-16 h.p. four-cylinder Unic taxicab





-- Last edit: 2016-01-25 18:34:02
2016-01-25 18:07
1920 Unic 12/14 hp Taxi
London's Free Shows (1924)
Unic taxis used in London were all an imported chassis with bodywork built in the UK AFAIK. I believe the chassis was specifically for London taxi use because of the London taxicab regulations. 2016-01-25 17:41
1964 Karrier Bantam [FA]
Der Gorilla von Soho (1968)
November 1963 onwards FA series introduced with flashing-indicators.

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

-- Last edit: 2016-01-25 14:32:14
2016-01-25 14:05
1964 Karrier Bantam Airport truck [FA]
Flashman (1967)
November 1963 onwards FA series introduced with flashing-indicators.

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

-- Last edit: 2016-01-25 14:31:03
2016-01-25 14:02
1968 Karrier Bantam [FB]
La ragazza con la pistola (1968)
The [FB] chassis changes now shown to be on or before the 'KARRIER' lettering replacing the small badge in 1968. 2016-01-25 13:59
1968 Commer Bantam [FB]
The Deep (1977)
The [FB] chassis changes now shown to be on or before the 'COMMER' lettering replacing the small badge in 1968. 2016-01-25 13:56
1968 Karrier Bantam [FB]
Look at Life: Goodbye, Piccadilly (1967)
The [FB] chassis changes now shown to be on or before the 'KARRIER' lettering replacing the small badge in 1968. 2016-01-25 13:55
1960 Commer Bantam [F]
Il diavolo a sette facce (1971)
Commer Bantam rather than Karrier Bantam in Benelux countries.

Rootes apparently exported trucks rather than have CKD assembly in Benelux countries in 1967...

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

-- Last edit: 2016-01-25 12:43:56
2016-01-25 12:41
1960 Commer Bantam [F]
Il diavolo a sette facce (1971)
Commer Bantam in NL/Benelux countries as here...

[Image: commerbantamdutch.jpg]
2016-01-25 11:54
1968 Commer Bantam [FB]
The Deep (1977)
In the UK it would be a 1968 Karrier Bantam [FA] 2 or 3-ton it appears to have the short 98" wheelbase.

So Commer Bantam as also in Dutch brochure same in the movie's export market.

[Image: commerbantamdutch.jpg]

Note FA or FB to be confirmed as other IMCDb listings...

-- Last edit: 2016-01-24 21:49:07
2016-01-24 21:47
1962 Thames Trader Normal Control [640E]
Dead Cert (1974)
Looks to be correct with 'Thames' badge on the bonnet (some had an extra 20,30 etc. badge above it denoting gvw). Generally the later Ford K-series without the bonnet badge I think.

http://pics.imcdb.org/0is218/traderafmy4.4993.jpg
2016-01-24 20:42
1911 LGOC B-Type
London's Sunday (1924)
Only found one X-type bus in LT photographic collection (but possibly more to be found) so chances are low I guess...

Link to "www.ltmcollection.org"

One to be aware of for the future!
2016-01-24 16:33
Cosmopolitan London (1924)
dsl wrote ....

.... "crimpies and harpies"???

...


Crimps (rather than crimpies) - roughians or bullies in general, stealing from seamen when on shore.

Previously, Shanghaiing or crimping refers to the practice of kidnapping people to serve as sailors by coercive techniques such as trickery, intimidation, or violence.

Harpies - women who got seamen drunk only to steal from them.

-- Last edit: 2016-01-25 14:27:16
2016-01-24 16:23
1911 LGOC B-Type
London's Sunday (1924)
A quick search shows the B-type bus in use by the autumn of 1910 (agreeing with the IMCDb date for AEC B-type) before AEC was formed.

johnfromstaffs, I agree with renaming all B-types as 'LGOC' (a web-based search shows far more hits for LGOC than AEC). Other buses (K-type etc) to remain as AEC.

If there are no other comments supporting 'AEC' I agree we should change.
2016-01-24 15:18
1911 LGOC B-Type
London's Sunday (1924)
I have a slight preference for continuing to call them all AEC, as the manufacturer, despite LGOC being the operator and the controlling company.

However both cases 'LGOC' and 'AEC' can be argued for but then we would then have to determine a break-point if LGOC was to be used for the early buses and AEC for the later ones.

Some of the history...
"Where the B-Type Buses are Built" October 1912,

Associated Equipment Co. Ltd. formed June 1912 with an authorised capital of 2500,000 in 210 shares, also 94 per cent, of the ordinary stock of the (LGOC) company has been acquired by the Underground Electric Railways Co. of London, Ltd.

-- Last edit: 2016-01-24 14:04:55
2016-01-24 13:58
Unic 12/14 hp Taxi
Cosmopolitan London (1924)
Front and radiator looks like Unic to me also. 2016-01-24 12:19
1907 Renault 9CV Taxi [Type AG]
Cosmopolitan London (1924)
Yes, most likely a Renault Taxi, for what is seen of the bonnet. 2016-01-24 12:15
1912 Leyland A Type 'Subsidy' rebuilt as brewery truck
Barging Through London (1924)
It appears prior to WWI London breweries mainly used steam waggons but after 1918 I guess the availability of heavier petrol trucks replaced steam.

No great information was found so far in the CM archive of what trucks were used in the early 1920s, by Trumans (or others).
2016-01-23 14:46
1912 Leyland A Type 'Subsidy' rebuilt as brewery truck
Barging Through London (1924)
I think a rebuilt Leyland A-type Subsidy, bonnet sides with low louvre position and two side handles all match.

[Image: leylandsubs.jpg]
2016-01-23 13:37
1922 AEC S-Type
Barging Through London (1924)
AEC S-Type by the window arrangement (without the front short section as on the NS-Type). 2016-01-23 11:29
1914 Unic 12/14 hp Funeral Van
Barging Through London (1924)
Unic yes, for the radiator including the correct 'Unic' script position.

Mann and Overton from 1910 also showed delivery vans as well as taxis based on the Unic chassis.

The funeral van or a police van idea is possible as the van looks very advanced in design delivery vans were normally very basic in 1910.
2016-01-22 21:13
1986 Britannia 4x2 Norba body on Seddon-Atkinson chassis
Looking After Jo Jo (1998)
^ kudos, no problem. It served to fire-up further investigation!

The challenge now is to find if that front wheel drive concept vehicle made any film appearances?
2016-01-22 14:47
1986 Britannia 4x2 Norba body on Seddon-Atkinson chassis
Looking After Jo Jo (1998)
Britannia on the Seddon Atkinson 200-Series (the 211 when available) truck chassis, from May 1986.

There will be a choice of chassis cab models.
Two will be available on 16.26 tonne GVW chassis, one with a 2.18m narrow cab and the other of a standard 2.49m width.
A third standard cab will be offered on a 24.39 tonne GVW three-axled chassis which is also available at 20 tonne GVW with Granning third axle conversion.

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

[Image: britannia6x44x2.jpg]
2016-01-22 13:35
1986 Britannia 4x2 Norba body on Seddon-Atkinson chassis
Looking After Jo Jo (1998)
The movie vehicle appears to be a normal rear wheel drive layout to me?

Similar to this...
"This vehicle is an interesting blend of modern technology, combining as it does the recently-developed Britannia crew-cab and Perkins Phaser engine with the well proven Seddon Atkinson M24P18 municipal chassis.."

CM Road test Britannia/Seddon Atkinson but with Colectomatic body.
"Jack Allen and its subsidiary Britannia Trucks both use Seddon Atkinson's popular 4x2 and 6x4 municipal chassis-cabs."

The front-wheel drive concept vehicle developed by Bass breweries and Chassis Developments of Dunstable.

Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com"

-- Last edit: 2016-01-22 13:14:37
2016-01-22 12:55
1983 Dodge 50 Series [S56]
Looking After Jo Jo (1998)
Dodge 50-Series introduced June-1979
Variants available as chassis-cabs or chassis-scuttle only for bodies by others (no 'in-house' build of vans or buses).
S35 3.5t
S46 4.6t
S56 5.6t
S66 6.6t
S75 7.5t

Renault badged from December 1987

Dodge 50 Series specifications

Renault 50 Series changes

-- Last edit: 2016-01-22 12:29:20
2016-01-22 12:04
1986 Jaguar XJ-SC 5.3 V12 [XJ27]
Ein Fall für Zwei (1981-2015)
Not XJ77.

Rather a XJ27 cabriolet conversion by Tickford prior to the XJ77 convertible release, by the roof-form and quarter-lites in the door glasses.
2016-01-20 15:53
1995 Vauxhall Astra Merit MkIII
The Missing Postman (1997)
The same oval shape I think also probably its size, comparing it to the distance from the door shut-line).

[Image: t95.jpg]

Not 100% sure but I doubt there is a difference.

Another slightly interesting observation... It appears the Opel Calibra does not need a side repeater light at all, however the
Vauxhall Calibra has one fitted?

-- Last edit: 2016-01-20 13:02:26
2016-01-20 13:00
1995 Vauxhall Astra Estate Merit MkIII
EastEnders (1985-2016)
Astra Facelift from August 1994 brochure was available in 'Merit' hatch & estate, 'LS' hatch saloon estate, 'GLS' hatch saloon estate and 'Sport' hatch & estate versions.

This has Merit bumpers (all black below the lower half all others were colour-coded).

The brochure indicated all models had clear lenses, new grille shape and new headlamp shape (from previous model).

I suspect Vauxhall down-spec'd the Merit to amber lenses at some point - the examples in Sandie's link are true facelift versions (door mirror shape changed to 'Calibra style' not an easy change like the grille). Vauxhall could potentially respec cars independently of Opel if standard parts were used.

-- Last edit: 2016-01-19 19:27:20
2016-01-19 19:21
1966 Morris LD 'Black Maria'
Charlie Bubbles (1967)
The grille's top bar is too wide (too near the headlamp) for the original Morris style grille (1955-1966).

If Morris it has the commonised Austin/Morris grille from about 1966.
2016-01-19 14:40
Charlie Bubbles (1967)
dsl wrote .... the FX4 more difficult - looks a 63+ suffix plate, but I'm unsure when front indicators replaced bubbles on roof - it may be 67-68, so brand new for filming. Or I'm wrong and it doesn't have front indicators. ....


The front indicators were added mid-late 1968 when the rear-lights were changed and the 'bunny-ears' on the roof removed so after filming.
2016-01-19 14:06
1934 Austin 12/4 Taxi Low Loader
Three Comrades (1938)
For its general appearance yes, looks like an Austin 12/4 Taxi Low-Loader. 2016-01-19 12:19
1942 ERF CI6 15-Ton Tractor Unit
The Franchise Affair (1951)
Probably a CI6...

[Image: erfcitractorunit1.jpg]
ERF CI6 Tractive Unit for Pay-loads of 20 Tons & 14-15 Tons - September 1939

Cab looks earlier than an ERF DI6 unit to me.

-- Last edit: 2016-01-18 14:24:41
2016-01-18 13:50
Father Brown (2013-2016) Series 4 completed.

Some aircraft action...

[Image: fb4-07aircraft22.jpg] [Image: fb4-07aircraft11.jpg] [Image: fb4-07aircraft33.jpg]
Episode 4.07 [*][*][*]
2016-01-16 20:42

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