Class: Cars, Van / MPV — Model origin:
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◊ 2016-07-29 15:45 |
edit: Further pictures added. Ford or Fordson van about 8-10cwt. It looks to be based on the Ford Ten saloon either model C or CX. -- Last edit: 2016-07-29 18:45:31 |
◊ 2016-07-29 15:51 |
1936 Glasgow plate |
◊ 2016-07-29 17:29 |
A picture of a 1935 van looking similar to this appears on Page 40 of Dave Turner's book about the small sidevalve Fords. The commercial version of the Ten CX (barred grille) is described as "extremely rare". |
◊ 2016-07-29 17:41 |
Thank you johnfromStaffs, that could be the only reference to this van that exists; nothing found yet in the CM archive and Fords or Fordsons are fairly well reported on normally! |
◊ 2016-07-30 17:11 |
This is the picture of the van. It was scanned from Page 40 of the following book: - "Ford Popular and the Small Sidevalves" By Dave Turner ISBN 0-85045-559-6 Osprey Publishing Limited 12-14 Long Acre London WC2E 9LP 1) I hope this ensures that copyright is observed. 2) While the book addresses in detail the 8hp vans, giving build dates and chassis numbers, no such information is available for a Model C or CX van. The inference must be that it didn't make series production. 3) The book says the van was owned by Ford's, there are some odd details, like the 1935 date, and the Model C grille but the post 1937 disc wheels (and axles to match?), which would suggest Girling brakes instead of the Kelsey-Hayes brake drum incorporated into the wire wheel. 4) The Model C and CX had rear hinged front doors, so some substantial re-engineering has gone into the van conversion in this picture, which doesn't appear in the subject photograph. The door conversion looks to have been a knife-and-fork job to me. The positioning of the petrol fillers on the two examples differs quite widely. 5) Purely my thoughts, but this van may well have been too expensive to build to sell competitively against the other 8hp vans from Morris and such, and too small to match the Commer van so probably failed in too many ways to be a viable proposition for FMC to consider series manufacture. Anyway the E83W was a far more sensible solution to meet market requirements, and that was only a year or two away. 6) Further speculation, could it have been a one-off coachbuilt job from the local coffin maker? -- Last edit: 2016-07-30 19:21:02 |
◊ 2016-07-30 19:37 |
Further CM Archive information suggests the following... Ford in England produced a 12-cwt van, probably based on the Model B with 14.9hp (2.0 litre) and 24hp (3.3 litre) engines, from Octoner 1932, at the same time as the 5-cwt van. The 10-cwt van was introduced before October 1934, replacing the 12-cwt van, so was Model C or CX based. The 10cwt van was later replaced by the Ford V8 15cwt sometime after the V8's introduction at the end of 1935. Unlike the 5-cwt van, both the 12-cwt and 10-cwt vans did not commonly appear in price lists and advertisements so either they were not promoted by Ford and/or did not sell in large numbers. This I think largely agrees with the idea that Ford found it difficult to compete on price with the other British vans in the medium sizes. edit: renamed 'Ford' not 'Fordson' in common with the Ford Eight Van [Y] (CM is not specific regarding branding as both names are used without any explanation). -- Last edit: 2016-07-30 20:05:29 |
◊ 2016-07-30 20:33 |
Model “CX” van source: http://www.fordyandcmodelregister.co.uk/Pages/AboutCars/ModelIdentification.html Dagenham Motors Ltd. of Balderton Street, London, commissioned both van and pick-up bodies on the Models “C” and “CX” chassis. This would explain the smaller sales and no Ford price list entry if the vans were dealer optional bodies on the base Ford C or CX chassis. -- Last edit: 2016-07-30 20:37:56 |
◊ 2016-07-30 21:22 |
My Uncle had a Ten Model C in the 1950s, it is quite a small car and not really the sort of chassis that would support a ten cwt van, especially with the delicate wire wheels. The 7W Ten which followed it was considerably bigger and heavier. It seems that we can fairly assume that any C/CX based commercial would have been a conversion and not a FMC design, explaining the discrepancies in the two designs above. |