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1938 Ford V8 30 hp Station Wagon 'Woodie' [81A]

1938 Ford V8 30 hp Station Wagon [81A] in The Spirit of '45, Documentary, 2013

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1938 Ford V8 30 hp Station Wagon 'Woodie' [81A]

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dsl ◊ 2015-12-14 16:18	I think it's a woodie wagon rather than a van. If plate is FK 8653, it's 1938.
DidierF ◊ 2015-12-14 16:20	Isn't it a Ford? Yes, "1938 Ford V8 30 hp Station Wagon [81A]". -- Last edit: 2015-12-14 16:23:00
eLMeR ◊ 2015-12-14 21:02	I think that the 30 hp shouldn't be used, as it appears to be an error made for an earlier identification in the IMCDb and which has been copied without being checked since: see the 1938 Ford brochure or this article (only 60 or 85 hp engines are mentioned..) -- Last edit: 2015-12-14 21:03:57
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-12-15 00:00	This is England whereas the 2 references you mention appear to be American. The Ford V-8 came in two engine sizes, 2227cc known in England as the 22 horsepower, and the 3622cc known as the 30 horsepower. These numbers refer to the British taxable horsepower, not the actual output of the engines, 60 or 85bhp as you mentioned. Since the database appears to try to follow the convention of referring to vehicles by the names used in the country where the film originated, 30hp would be correct. -- Last edit: 2015-12-15 00:07:28
dsl ◊ 2015-12-15 00:07	johnfromstaffs wrote This is England. Great song. (but I guess it may not be a jfs favourite ...) Taxable horsepower probably similar to French CV system - are the calculations identical or just the same idea translated differently?
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-12-15 00:10	The square of the bore diameter times the number of cylinders divided by 2.5 if given in inches, or by 1613 if given in millimetres gives you the British taxable horsepower, thus an 80mm bore 4 cylinder engine is 15.9 RAC horsepower. The French CV is a similar idea, but not identical, for instance the Citroën Onze Legère being the Light Fifteen in UK. -- Last edit: 2015-12-15 00:20:42
eLMeR ◊ 2015-12-15 00:39	My mistake, then. But was this 30 hp really used in sales names, or is its use just another habit that people took at that time or some years later and which should therefore appears only as complement? johnfromstaffs wrote [...] The French CV is a similar idea, but not identical, for instance the Citroën Onze Legère being the Light Fifteen in UK. French administration never liked simple things, so there's always weird and almost incomprehensible coefficients and dividers related to metaphysical or cabalistic items, in the formulas Since 1998: Pa = (CO2/45) + (P/40)^1.6 were • Pa = administrative power (usually noted CV. Rounded up to the superior unit); • CO2 = CO2 emissions in standard bench cycle; • P = power in kW; • ^1.6 means exponent 1.6, as the IMCDb doesn't allow the Html code that would help to write it properly It was calculated differently before, with at least a change in 1956 and another in 1978. I don't know how it was done before 1956, but see the French Wikipedia page to get an overview of the 2 concerned formulas. -- Last edit: 2015-12-15 01:27:24
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-12-15 09:28	I cannot answer your question concerning the appearance of the horsepower in brochures. What I can say, because I was around at the time, is that the interest in the car always began with "how many horsepower is it" as a hangover from the days when the annual tax charge was £1 per horsepower, which may not sound like any big deal, but when a new small car cost about £120 it certainly was. The last cars I can recall that incorporated the taxable horsepower in their name were the Standard Eight and Ten, deleted in 1959 in favour of the Triumph Herald. Fortunately, and about 25 years too late, the authorities abandoned this taxation and used a flat rate of £12/10/0d (£12.50) per year, which made ownership of a 30hp car much cheaper, but was no bargain if you ran an Austin Seven (although that model was actually taxed at £8 on the old system.) -- Last edit: 2015-12-15 09:30:01
Sunbar ◊ 2015-12-15 13:12	Ford in a similar way to Austin etc. appear to use 22 and 30 (without the 'hp') in their literature and advertising in the UK. Ford V8 "30" Ford V8 "22" Ford V8 "30" Instruction Book.
eLMeR ◊ 2015-12-16 01:45	Some other pictures I found on the Internet (full size versions visible here): Wouldn't it be more accurate to remove the hp, then, and to use the quotes, as it appears to be written that way in the documents?
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-12-16 19:58	It is my view, only as an expression of personal feeling, that as we get further away in time from this period viewers of this database would not understand what the numbers mean unless the word "horsepower" is mentioned. I am constantly amazed by the lack of understanding about things that were part of life's given knowledge to me, until I think about how much time has elapsed, and how little I know about much of popular culture of the last 40 or 50 years. It therefore seems to me that if we don't store as much information as we can in the database such stuff may well disappear. I shall now return my hobbyhorse to his stable in the east wing.
dsl ◊ 2015-12-16 20:47	johnfromstaffs wrote .... how little I know about much of popular culture of the last 40 or 50 years. This may help fill in some gaps. johnfromstaffs wrote It therefore seems to me that if we don't store as much information as we can in the database such stuff may well disappear. Agreed in principle and as one of imcdb's underlying purposes, although I can't say anything useful for or against this particular case.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-12-16 21:05	Popular culture embraces far more than just "rock'n'roll". On the odd occasion when I see a celebrity based programme on the haunted fish tank I have no idea who the so called celebrities are or for what achievement they have become celebrated. I have now also reached the stage where I don't really care either.
Ingo ◊ 2015-12-16 21:07	johnfromstaffs wrote ... I shall now return my hobbyhorse to his stable in the east wing. Your fault. There are pure English hobbyhorses, which doesn't need extra stables. Just a place in the size of a proper canopy swing is fine enough https://imageshack.com/i/pa4YJjJmj
eLMeR ◊ 2015-12-16 23:01	dsl wrote This may help fill in some gaps.[...] All is said in this documentary. Is it really useful to know more about it?
eLMeR ◊ 2015-12-16 23:47	Back to the model name: I would prefer using the accurate name and let interested people search for the info rather than using a partly wrong identification. But it's true that the present generation of the IMCDb lacks a comment part on the "gathering pages/categories" to ease that. Concerning the disappearance of knowledge, I believe that it won't get better as long as humans will be so lazy, as learning and searching for answers require always a little work. But this laziness started most probably one or two millions of years ago, when Homo habilis discovered that it was easier and less painful to hit his neighbor with a stone rather than t odo it with his fist. So I'm slightly skeptical about an upcoming improvement of the situation

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