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1941 Humber Armoured Car 
Class: Others, Military armored vehicle — Model origin: 
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◊ 2015-11-06 09:47 |
Humber scout car Link to "en.wikipedia.org" Producer : Rootes Group (Karrier) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humber_Armoured_Car |
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◊ 2015-11-06 10:35 |
By all means, would it be our first here? |
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◊ 2015-11-06 11:17 |
Humber Scout Car produced by Rootes |
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◊ 2015-11-06 11:36 |
Oh… They are not dated, the reason why I missed them. Why do we name them "Scout Car" here? Otherwise, we have an amoured vehicle in the foreground, in one of the last sequence of the movie: ![[Image: dickinson55giva72.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/17160/dickinson55giva72.jpg) ![[Image: dickinson55giva72a.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/17160/dickinson55giva72a.jpg) ![[Image: dickinson55giva73.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/17160/dickinson55giva73.jpg) |
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◊ 2015-11-06 12:00 |
I'm no expert on military items, just wanted to point out the 'Humber' or 'Karrier' maker's difference. I must leave it to an expert regarding Scout Car and/or Armoured Car. |
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◊ 2015-11-06 12:21 |
(As I understand it, "Humber" would be, in the case of this machine, the name of the model and not of the maker.) (And Karrier the brand specialized in military makings for the Rootes group.) -- Last edit: 2015-11-06 12:22:14 |
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◊ 2015-11-06 20:08 |
This is our only Karrier Humber Armoured Car but we have 5 Humber Armoured Cars. Which do we change?? |
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◊ 2015-11-06 20:13 |
Roote’s wheeled tank In 1939 the Royal Armoured Corps requested a reconnaissance armored car design from several manufacturers. Roote’s group, then known as Karrier, was interested. While producing the Karrier KT 4 artillery tractor for the needs of the Indian army, the company identified the Guy Armoured Car’s armored body as a fast solution to obtain a ready made suitable vehicle, with some adaptations. 101 Guy Armoured Cars had been already built from 1939 to 1940, but the company was not capable to muster a higher production rate. In particular, the Guy Mk.IA, equipped with a 15 mm (0.59 in) Besa heavy machine-gun, was the design basis for the Humber. http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/ww2/gb/Humber_Armoured_Car.php Humber was not the producer -- Last edit: 2015-11-06 20:14:27 |
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◊ 2015-11-06 20:24 |
Now that I received a heavy support (with artillery preparation) on my right wing by mikeCrush'm'All962, I believe you know the definitive answer, dsl. |
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◊ 2015-11-06 20:34 |
This one could actually be… … a Humber Scout Car. (See the fenders.) What do you think? |
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◊ 2015-11-06 20:36 |
Not quite. Rootes Group was never known as Karrier, Rootes owned Karrier, having bought the company in 1934. As time moved on, Karrier production moved to Dunstable and they became more and more part of Commer, the other truck maker in Rootes' empire. |
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◊ 2015-11-06 21:30 |
![[Image: smiley-laughing001.gif]](http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing001.gif "http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing001.gif") That has to be one of the Great Imcdb Nicknames, alongside--------------------------------------------------------------- No - not really. These WW2 things are beyond my pay grade and in some ways the titles are fairly meaningless because the government basically allocated emergency contracts to whoever had production facilities, and then knocked together all sorts of unlikely combinations, which make it all a bit of a lottery - at one stage Austin were building Vauxhalls. However, we need to agree single titles to keep things together in one place which we can all remember easily and which is logical for the next generation of newbies in 5-10 years time. My guess is Humber as make is the best home because of their continuing tradition of several army vehicles from WW2 until the 1970s, and because it's common usage. If everyone wants to agree Karrier, that's fine too, but then we've got to remember what we've done and keep reminding everyone for the future where we put them. |
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◊ 2015-11-06 21:33 |
Aw rite. Let's call for a pow-wow. Or… Let me withdraw in good order. |
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◊ 2015-11-06 21:36 |
Your "simplicity" argument hit the target, dsl. In exchange, please give their dates to the 5 others. (Nah, laisse tomber. Ain't got nothing better to do right now. "Production started in 1941", according to en.wiki.) -- Last edit: 2015-11-06 21:47:00 |
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◊ 2015-11-07 12:05 |
The decision to call them 'Humbers' and not ' Karriers' was to avoid confusion with Bren Gun Carriers according to http://www.tankmuseum.org/museum-online/vehicles/object-e1949-318 Karriers versus Carriers, along the lines of the military instruction "Send reinforcements. We are going to advance." versus "Send three and four-pence we're going to a dance"! Precise Name: Armoured Car, Humber Mark I Main Utility Type: Reconnaissance Country of Use: U.K. PRODUCTION: Manufactured 1941, Rootes Group, Humber Ltd., United Kingdom "When Guy Motors stopped building armoured cars in 1940, to meet other commitments, production was taken over by Karrier Motors of Luton. In order to avoid confusion with Bren Gun Carriers their cars were known as Humbers, another member of the Rootes Group." All wartime production would be from the Luton plant, which received some substantial bombing some of which was not reported at the time. Commer Cars Ltd., who manufactured Karrier trucks, only moved to Dunstable from their Luton plant in the late 1960s (Bedford did the same). They still had the head office (and also a small Commer-Karrier facility for only service or support operations I think) at Biscot Road, Luton for about a further 10 years. |
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◊ 2015-11-08 21:13 |
@dsl: As far as the nicknames are regarded: You're right, but one of my personal favourites can be found here: /vehicle.php?id=815173 However, number one remains "Monty". |
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◊ 2015-11-08 21:20 |
Of course. ![[:666]](https://imcdb.opencommunity.be/images/smileys/666.gif "[:666]") |
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◊ 2015-11-09 21:40 |
I actually still miss him or at least his tantrums. And Gomsel was actually even more entertaining. -- Last edit: 2015-11-10 01:38:25 |
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◊ 2015-11-19 05:55 |
Militaria fans, would you take account of my question here? I can't give a positive answer but I have the impression that the three thumbnails I posted could be of a Humber Scout Car. What do you think, JCB, Sunbar, mike962, petep, Pibwl and the others? |
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