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carobserver ◊ 2007-02-03 04:03	What a beautiful Vw Rabbit
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 05:10	Aren't Rabbits just Golfs with a different badge and name? Anyways, it is just a box on wheels.
ahight ◊ 2007-02-03 05:12	it's better than a Tempo!!
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 05:19	ahight wrote it's better than a Tempo!! In not 1 way. Tempo is: -Better looking -More aerodynamic -Faster -Stronger -Better equipped
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 05:26	ahight wrote it's better than a Tempo!! thats not to hard to do
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 05:34	tonkaTRACKER wrote thats not to hard to do Wrong. And I shall point out now, who was far (far, really, really, really far) ahead in sales. 3,000,000+ units sold in 10 years, average of 4th place on the best selling sales charts for its entire run.
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 05:40	Explorer4x4 wrote Wrong. And I shall point out now, who was far (far, really, really, really far) ahead in sales. 3,000,000+ units sold in 10 years, average of 4th place on the best selling sales charts for its entire run. site your source for me please, on a side note I just got a 1992 Tempo GL V6 with 40,578 miles on it and its ummmmmmmm boring but it was free so I'll try to sell it , pretty color though = Oxford White
Firebird86 ◊ 2007-02-03 05:44	Tonka: Fill it up with Gasoline, you'll double the value,
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 05:45	and just for comparison for the first 10 years of the Cavalier 82-92 Chevrolet sold 3,400,000+ units
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 05:48	Firebird86 wrote Tonka: Fill it up with Gasoline, you'll double the value, Its actually in really good shape runs good, exterior and interior are in good shape but its a tempo they only go for about 5-6 hundred dollars around here, thats why i stick to buying GM J-bodies, W-bodies and Neons to sell ...they bring more money
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 05:56	tonkaTRACKER wrote site your source for me please, on a side note I just got a 1992 Tempo GL V6 with 40,578 miles on it and its ummmmmmmm boring but it was free so I'll try to sell it , pretty color though = Oxford White www.tempotopaz.com Go to the 'Year-By-Year' section (left side menu), you have to go to each year (1984, 1985, 1986, et cetera, and all the way to 1994) and add up the production numbers (which were gathered straight from Ford Motor Company). I did, took me a while, but my results were 3,701,946. And that is in North America alone. They also listed the Tempo's standing on the 'best seller charts'. Which were record in 1984 at 4th Place. Four out of the five best selling cars were Fords (only good cars between 1984 and 1997 really). And guess what else, the 2/3 best seller was the shortened version of the Tempo, the Escort. And I would like to see your resources as well please. And what does any of this have to do with the Chevy Cavalier? The Tempo and Cavalier had absolutely nothing in common, as they did not even compete with each other (Chevrolet's answer to Ford's Tempo was the pos Corsica, and Dodge's was the Aries and Spirit). The Cavalier is a mid-size sedan, coupe, convertible and wagon, Tempo is a compact sedan and coupe. The Cavalier is a competitor to the Ford Taurus, and guess who sold more (and was best selling car from 1986 to 1997)?
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 05:58	tonkaTRACKER wrote Its actually in really good shape runs good, exterior and interior are in good shape but its a tempo they only go for about 5-6 hundred dollars around here, thats why i stick to buying GM J-bodies, W-bodies and Neons to sell ...they bring more money Tempos sell for $1,000 to $2,000, and more when they've got the V6 (rare, and faster/powerful then cars from its time). Recently their was a 1988 Topaz GS (mid-class, older model) in the classifieds for $1,200 or $1,700 (I forget which one it was).
ahight ◊ 2007-02-03 06:00	i'd take a Rabbit over a Cavalier too!!!
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 06:02	ahight wrote i'd take a Rabbit over a Cavalier too!!! Same. But I would not take a Rabbit over a Tempo. I like the Rabbit more then the Cavalier because I have yet to see a Cavalier that has lasted 1 year without some major part failing or falling apart. But like I I have said, both GM and Chrysler were the all time worst companies from about 1984 to 1997.
jj_john_johnny ◊ 2007-02-03 06:05	Explorer4x4 wrote The Cavalier is a competitor to the Ford Taurus, and guess who sold more (and was best selling car from 1986 to 1997)? I'm a big Ford guy and own a Taurus, so I know that the Cavalier and the Taurus were not close competitors. Chevrolet's answer to the Taurus was the Lumina which is much closer in size and features compared to a Cavalier.
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 06:19	Whatever it is, it is not a competitor to the Tempo. And the Cavalier sold 3,693,280 from 1984 to 1994 (in the exact same time the Tempo did), less then the Tempo. However, this is not a fair comparison. Cavalier was a mid-size/compact four-door sedan, two-door coupe, convertible coupe and station wagon. Tempo is a compact two-door coupe and four-door sedan. And another thing, the Tempo averaged $4,000 cheaper in price when new. -- Last edit: 2007-02-03 06:21:57
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 18:42	Explorer4x4 wrote And I would like to see your resources as well please. www.Edmund.com, which is not as biased as tempotopaz.com Explorer4x4 wrote Whatever it is, it is not a competitor to the Tempo. The Tempo/Topaz and Cavalier/Sunbird/etc. are both in the same class (this means that they ARE competitors. Explorer4x4 wrote but my results were 3,701,946. And that is in North America alone. and the Cavaliers (North American) sales were 3,693,280 from 84-94 as you noted above..... Hmmmmm thats a difference of 8,666 I wouldnt really consider that "far (far, really, really, really far) ahead in sales" as you put it just for giggles add up all Tempo and Topaz numbers and see if they can compare to all J-bodies (84-94) = 6,012,446 and thats not counting Toyota Cavalier, Holden Camira, Opel Ascona C, Opel Monza, Chevrolet Monza, Vauxhall Cavalier, Isuzu Aska and Daewoo Espero. Explorer4x4 wrote I like the Rabbit more then the Cavalier because I have yet to see a Cavalier that has lasted 1 year without some major part failing or falling apart. Hmmm I have owned 17 J-bodies over the years (and for years at a time) and have NEVER had any Major Problems with any of them. I have also owned a couple of Escorts and a 1987 Tempo GL Sport, I had nothing but problems with my Ford-engined Escort, but my Mazda-Engined Escort was an awesome car, and the Tempo was actually a pretty good car also. Explorer4x4 wrote And guess what else, the 2/3 best seller was the shortened version of the Tempo, the Escort. NO the Tempo was based on a Lengthened Escort platform...There is a difference Explorer4x4 wrote Tempos sell for $1,000 to $2,000, and more when they've got the V6 (rare, and faster/powerful then cars from its time) NOT HERE And the 3.0 Vulcan V6 has the same horspower as GM's 2.3L Quad 4 I4 (145) so it's nothing special Explorer4x4 wrote Cavalier was a mid-size/compact four-door sedan, two-door coupe, convertible coupe and station wagon. Tempo is a compact two-door coupe and four-door sedan. Actually they are both Compacts and I cant help it that GM was smart enough to be versitile enough to produce a compact coue/sedan/conv and wagon on one platform and Ford Didn't With all this being said I didn't post my original post about the Cavalier to show "how good" it was, all I was trying to do was give you an example of another car in the Tempo's class that it has not "left it in its dust" as you claim, Just imagine what the numpers of the Tempos other Competitors were. I am the first to admit that I love Econ-Shitboxes (GM J, L, M, and N bodies esp) but I dont try to say that they are the best cars in the world. I know they are Econo-boxes just as the Tempo is, Explorer4x4 that is something you are gonna have to come to terms with Tempos are Econo-shitboxes ! I also dont want ppl to think I am a Ford-Hater, I love Taurus' (I have had a couple SHO's) and I think that the 86 Taurus was far, far ahead of it's time and I also like the first generation Escort/Lynx (another econo-box) ahight wrote i'd take a Rabbit over a Cavalier too!!! Me too (and I love Cavaliers) -- Last edit: 2007-02-03 18:57:27
wrenchhead ◊ 2007-02-03 19:09	Geeze - all this verbage about cheap crappy cars
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 19:16	-Edmunds.com is not an official resource. TempoTopaz.com (an official club I might add) got their information STRAIGHT FROM FORD. -As for sales, that is hardly a fair comparison. Its because GM is such a horrorable, horrorable make and really only has 2 cars, but just put different grills and badges on them and calls them completely new/different that they sold more (in total). If you are going to do a fair/real comparison, you will have to put the Tempo sedan and coupe sales together (3,701,946) and the Cavalier sedan and coupe sales. You can't really count the wagon and convertible sales as Tempo did not offer them. Even if you add up all Cavaliers (all four) and all Tempos (two), the Tempo STILL SOLD MORE! Ha, I wonder what GM thought when that ten-year-old sedan beat all four of their models. Shows what people like(d) more. And Ford did offer wagons, Escorts and Taurus'. The Cavalier convertible was a complete and total worthless failure. So why would Ford want to add a Tempo or Taurus convertible? Once again, you can't compare all of GM's rebadges (because their are so many), Ford however, does not have that problem. -As for reliability, all I can say is LOL @ U! Firstly, I own a 1989 Tempo and I am the second owner. It had never had 1 problem in its entire 19 years of life. And if you read the reviews at places like Epinions.com and MSNAutos.com, almost every single one says the same thing. Extremely reliable (some even say too reliable). As for GM Cavaliers and Cavalier rebadges, I have yet to hear of a success story. -What is this difference you speak of? The Ford Tempo sits on the Ford CE14 chassis, which is a lengthened Escort (and vice versa; Escort is a shortened Tempo). They were both designed by Jack Telnack, both had similar styles and both shared engines and transmission. Only differences were small appearance changes (and I have seen a lot of people mistake Tempos and Escorts, even on IMCDb) and one offered a station wagon body (to compete with Cavalier). - The 1992 Ford Tempo GLS, and the 1992-1994 Tempo GL and LX, had a 3.0L Vulcan V6 that was rated at 135HP (130HP in 1992) and 150lb-ft of torque. The 1992 Chevrolet Cavalier Z24 had a 2.8L V6 that was rated at 125HP (thats 10HP less then the Tempo's V6). -I know what the Tempo is. But I had no idea there is a law against liking them. I too have an affection for pos cars from the 80's, even the Cavalier is a personal fave. However, even though I do like other 'econoboxes' like the Dodge Spirit, Chevy Cavalier and Chevy Corsica (which I like the best out of GM's contributions to the economy car), I do like their Ford competitors much more.
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 19:26	wrenchhead wrote Geeze - all this verbage about cheap crappy cars Better then expensive crappy cars.
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 19:27	You might know your Tempos but you know shit about GM cars (BTW the 1992 Cavalier Z24 has a 3.1 not a 2.8) and what the hell do you call Temp/Topaz's or Taurus/Sable or Explorer/Mountainer/Aviator?????????????????? REBADGES all american car companies do it. edmunds.com's numbers did match j-bodie.orgs though which came from GM -- Last edit: 2007-02-03 19:28:50
wrenchhead ◊ 2007-02-03 19:31	Explorer4x4: I don't think anyone minds you really liking a Tempo. Heck, I like my MG but will readily admit its a piece of crap. Everyone has their own taste and the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same thing. What tends to get on folks nerves is your insistence that Tempos are really great/wonderful/beautiful cars and your endless trying to convince folks to agree with you. As for sales numbers, see: http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/class/wr/article/0,17585,90340,00.html -- Last edit: 2007-02-03 19:35:30
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 19:33	wrenchhead wrote Explorer4x4: I don't think anyone minds you really liking a Tempo. Heck, I like my MG but will readily admit its a piece of crap. Everyone has their own taste and the world would be a boring place if we all liked the same thing. What tends to get on folks nerves is your insistence that Tempos are really great/wonderful/beautiful cars and your endless trying to convince folks to agree with you. Exactly
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 19:44	tonkaTRACKER wrote You might know your Tempos but you know shit about GM cars (BTW the 1992 Cavalier Z24 has a 3.1 not a 2.8) and what the hell do you call Temp/Topaz's or Taurus/Sable or Explorer/Mountainer/Aviator?????????????????? REBADGES all american car companies do it. edmunds.com's numbers did match j-bodie.orgs though which came from GM Ford has never, ever (in all its 100+ years of existence) had as many rebadges as GM. You proved it by listing those 11 Cavalier rebadges. Ford's top was 3.
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 19:45	wrenchhead wrote As for sales numbers, see: http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/class/wr/article/0,17585,90340,00.html Notice, no GM cars made the top 5. I see a Ford though. -- Last edit: 2007-02-03 19:45:25
G-MANN ◊ 2007-02-03 20:10	I don't like the square headlights on this US-version of the Golf and the name Rabbit is a bit of a turnoff (why did they do this?) but as for the original European Golf (with circular twin headlights) I wouldn't say the Tempo looks nicer than that.
antp ◊ 2007-02-03 20:29	wrenchhead wrote As for sales numbers, see: http://www.timeforkids.com/TFK/class/wr/article/0,17585,90340,00.html They really sold 15 million of 1st-gen VW Rabbit/Golf ? Or does it could the five gen? In that last case it is cheating, as it is five different cars that just share the same name
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 20:30	G-MANN wrote I wouldn't say the Tempo looks nicer than that. We all have different opinions, and I respect that. But I prefer the Tempo. Maybe not the first gens (which were not as good looking as the Rabbit), but the second and third generations looked way better. Part of the reason I am not a big fan of the Rabbit's appearance is because I always think of a box. I prefer these:
antp ◊ 2007-02-03 20:31	Explorer4x4, please stop filling our database with your Tempo-related comments
G-MANN ◊ 2007-02-03 20:55	Before this big digression, Explorer's question was "Aren't Rabbits just Golfs with a different badge and name?" I believe they are, though I'd like to know why the name Rabbit was given to the US version, terrible name for a car.
wrenchhead ◊ 2007-02-03 21:23	antp wrote They really sold 15 million of 1st-gen VW Rabbit/Golf ? Or does it could the five gen? In that last case it is cheating, as it is five different cars that just share the same name I don't know, I just posted the link to demonstrate really large sales for particular makes.
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 21:52	G-MANN wrote Before this big digression, Explorer's question was "Aren't Rabbits just Golfs with a different badge and name?" I believe they are, though I'd like to know why the name Rabbit was given to the US version, terrible name for a car. I dont understand why any car companies change the name for different markets
G-MANN ◊ 2007-02-03 21:56	Sometimes I see a reason why they do it, but what was wrong with Golf? Rabbit makes it sound puny and without much power. If they'd sold the Polo in the US, would they have called it the VW Mouse?
tonkaTRACKER ◊ 2007-02-03 21:58	G-MANN wrote Sometimes I see a reason why they do it, but what was wrong with Golf? Rabbit makes it sound puny and without much power. If they'd sold the Polo in the US, would they have called it the VW Mouse? nah prob VW hampster
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 22:35	Yea, not much of a point to changing a good name for another market. But the odd thing is that Volkswagen also sold the Golf in America, they basically just sold the Golf here and then sold it (at the same time mind you) as the Rabbit. Personally, I am not a fan of any of Volkswagen's names. As they are either odd (Golf, Rabbit, Beetle, Gol), hard to pronounce (Touareg) or they are wimpy (Jetta). But any way, Rabbit and Gol are just plain bad.
Exiv96 ◊ 2007-02-03 22:41	Talk about odd and wimpy names. There was a Ford that had the same name as a brand of tissues ! I wonder what was that name again... Oh yes. http://www.tempo-web.de -- Last edit: 2007-02-03 22:42:23
Raul1983 ◊ 2007-02-03 22:50	Rabbit isn't such a bad name. That's why VW starts to use it again in the US (in 2007?).
antp ◊ 2007-02-03 23:01	Exiv96 wrote Talk about odd and wimpy names. There was a Ford that had the same name as a brand of tissues ! I wonder what was that name again... And what about "Lotus" then? But for the discussion about bad names, it is better to continue there: http://forum.imcdb.org/forum_topic-973-9683-Worst_car_names.html
Explorer4x4 ◊ 2007-02-03 23:26	Exiv96 wrote Talk about odd and wimpy names. There was a Ford that had the same name as a brand of tissues ! I wonder what was that name again... Oh yes. http://www.tempo-web.de Oh please, that is a really pathetic attempt for a come back. For one (and the most obvious) factor, that brand of toilet paper is not available in the country where the Tempo was sold (America). Then another thing, was that toilet paper brand even around when the Tempo was? And as for the 2007 Rabbit, its just like always, a Golf with a different name.
Exiv96 ◊ 2007-02-03 23:48	L'est un peu ch... sur les bords, non ? A toujours défendre bec et ongles sa chèèèère bagnole, il me fait penser à ces commentateurs politiques - généralement ultra-conservateurs - qui martèlent leur immuable point de vue à longueur d'émission dans les radios et télés étasuniennes, et réfutent par n'importe quel argument toute tentative d'avis divergeant. Un vrai remueur d'air... (d'où ce message en français pour rester tranquille).
G-MANN ◊ 2007-02-03 23:54	antp wrote And what about "Lotus" then? But for the discussion about bad names, it is better to continue there: http://forum.imcdb.org/forum_topic-973-9683-Worst_car_names.html Lotus is a brilliant name for a car! -- Last edit: 2007-02-04 00:24:49
antp ◊ 2007-02-04 00:09	But unfortunately also the name of a toilet paper and a cookie make Exiv96 >> oui en effet, et c'est pas la 1e fois qu'il nous fait le coup. J'espérais que ça c'était calmé, mais là il a été relancé Puis en plus défendre cette bagnole c'est un peu comme si nous on défendait avec ardeur une R9 ou une 305 comme étant les meilleurs voitures au monde (pour prendre des exemples équivalents). -- Last edit: 2007-02-04 00:11:50
G-MANN ◊ 2007-02-04 00:26	antp wrote But unfortunately also the name of a toilet paper and a cookie make Well if Renault, Citroen and Peugeot ever release a car called the Andrex, then we'll be even!
qwerty_86 ◊ 2007-02-04 06:48	They sell Tempo tissues in the US. I've seen it.
rjluna2 ◊ 2007-07-14 03:47	US assembled.

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