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1972 Sunbeam Hunter DL [Arrow]

1972 Sunbeam Hunter [Arrow] in Qi cai man tian shen fo, Movie, 1975 IMDB

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: UK — Made for: HK

1972 Sunbeam Hunter DL [Arrow]

[*] Background vehicle

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ManuelB FR

2015-06-07 01:17

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Center car (brown) is a Hillman Hunter, from around 1972-73

dsl SX

2015-06-07 01:22

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Exactly - 72+ hubcaps, Hunter DL. I still don't know for sure if HK was a rebranded-as-Sunbeam export market, but assuming it was for consistency.

ManuelB FR

2015-06-07 02:45

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Hillman or Sunbeam for Hong Kong market ? That's always an unresolved question... and an old one for you I see with this HK's Hillman branded 1970 Avenger ;-) >> /vehicle_480019-Hillman-Avenger-1970.html

The Hillman brand for Hunter was alive not only in UK but also in Australia.
In the continent the few Hunter sold new on French market these years were all badged Sunbeam, not Hillman.
Elsewhere it seems a little bit complicated...

dsl SX

2015-06-07 03:51

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Hillman (plus Humber and Singer) in Aus, NZ, ZA, Malta, Trinidad, Jamaica and other places is solid because they were assembly locations - many were English-speaking and Commonwealth countries so all the Rootes brands were well known. The Chrysler takeover in 1966 opened up assembly opportunities in other - non-English - speaking locations eg Venezuela, Peru, Colombia etc and I've no explanation why those used Hillman, except perhaps that Sunbeam was no better known in those territories so not a useful change.

But it gets worse for non-assembly markets - Europe became Sunbeam - but not for some reason in countries like Greece; Czechoslovakia stayed Hillman, but seems to have been a steady Rootes market for a long time despite the Cold War barriers. Japan stayed Hillman/Humber/Singer and other territories around the Pacific may have stayed the same (eg Singapore etc). Other ex-UK colony African countries stayed Hillman as far as I can tell, as did India. But many of these markets were very small volume for Rootes anyway.

All I can do is observe and try to identify what we find, but I've given up hoping for a coherent scenario which might be logically understandable.

boys_bible HK

2015-06-07 05:49

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boys_bible HK

2015-06-07 06:04

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In the past, both Hillman and Sunbeam were sold in Hong Kong.

ManuelB FR

2015-06-07 07:53

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Thanks dsl & boy bible for your enlightenment - we move forward :-)
So the Rootes Group export policy was an incredibly complicated matter...

electra225 IT

2015-06-08 17:36

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Thanks dsl for your Rootes lesson. It's everytime a pleasure to know more.

-- Last edit: 2015-06-08 17:36:48

dsl SX

2015-06-08 19:37

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Glad everyone enjoyed it. Pity there are still so many gaps. The usual date for Sunbeam-rebranding was 1966 (so all Arrows fall into the rebranded years), but started earlier for US (all Imps sold there from 1963 launch were Sunbeam, as were some 1964-65 Minxes). NL was Sunbeam within the normal European rebranding, but a handful of Hillman-badged Hunters have shown up there from about 1970. And Yugoslavia has had some Hillmans when it shouldn't.

Some other Rootes overseas bits:

A list from entries in my (incomplete) run of World Car Catalogues from 1960s and 1970s of every mention for overseas [Arrow] assembly, which showed up some surprises, even for me (no information given about the brands used):
Australia, New Zealand, South Africa, Ireland, Malta, Portugal, Malaysia, Thailand, Philippines, Costa Rica, Jamaica, Peru, Venezuela. Plus Paykan in Iran, and the detail that all UK-made Arrows after 1969 were built in Scotland at Linwood. I think Trinidad & Tobago was another assembly location.

I have not done assembly lists for Imps or Avengers, but do know they would be different - Imp list would be shorter, but would add Uruguay and maybe a couple of others. Avenger list also shorter, but adds South American countries - Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and maybe Ecuador. In early 60s, some Super Minxes were assembled by Touring in Italy - we have a couple on imcdb.

A 1966 list of export markets for UK made Imps from http://www.imps4ever.info/misc/prod.html
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ManuelB FR

2015-06-08 22:20

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The Rootes Group was a little a mess - not easy to understand for car historians now ;-)

johnfromstaffs EN

2015-06-08 22:56

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Thank you for this information, I now understand why my 1970s Arrow estates handled like porridge.

-- Last edit: 2015-06-09 08:22:08

DidierF FR

2015-06-25 06:42

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ManuelB wrote The Rootes Group was a little a mess - not easy to understand for car historians now ;-)

Rhô putain, Manu, tu vas avoir des problèmes !
On marche sur des œufs, ici, quand on aborde ces questions, avec le Rootes Frontkämpferbund qui patrouille, l’œil aux aguets et le doigt sur la détente.

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