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1938 Rolls-Royce Wraith Hearse [WXA19]

1938 Rolls-Royce Wraith Hearse [WXA19] in Ushi Must Marry, Movie, 2013

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1938 Rolls-Royce Wraith Hearse [WXA19]

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supcoach ◊ 2015-03-16 18:31	Rolls Royce
carcrasher88 ◊ 2015-03-16 20:50	Searched the license plate and Rolls-Royce on Google Images, got exactly one picture of this car. Not sure if it helps at all for identification.
dsl ◊ 2015-03-16 21:12	AMM 20 now = SILVER 2006 BMW 325I SE TOURING AUTO ESTATE. Is this a VdP 4-litre with Rolls grille??
Gag Halfrunt ◊ 2015-03-16 21:16	Could it be a Vanden Plas Princess or something pretending to be a Rolls-Royce? /vehicle_330993-Vanden-Plas-Princess-4-Litre-Limousine-1961.html (Sorry, didn't see dsl's comment before I posted.) -- Last edit: 2015-03-16 21:18:44
supcoach ◊ 2015-03-16 22:46	Possibly an unknown Phantom IV??
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-03-17 19:34	Speculation without observation. The car has the side lamps faired into the top of the front wings, Austin Princesses have either bullet side lamps on the wing top, or faired into the front in later VdP examples. The split windscreen is similar to a Princess or VdP, but also used on coachbuilt Royces, occasionally. The headlamps do not seem to be in the position for a VdP, and the wings do not match the shape, especially the swage line. The wipers appear to be clap hands, which may suggest Princess models. The bonnet shut line is lower than the radiator shell corners, no genuine Royce would have this anomaly. The front bumper looks like it is off an S1, but there are no ventilator grilles in the front wing aprons. My speculation - cobbled-up Bentley S1, but I'm not the Pope.
dsl ◊ 2015-03-17 20:08	I also think the emu is a fake .....
supcoach ◊ 2015-03-18 00:31	johnfromstaffs wrote: My speculation - cobbled-up Bentley S1, but I'm not the Pope. Are not a Rolls and a Bentley (from that era) essentially the same vehicle, except for specific marque bits (such as grilles, motors...) And FYI I was not speculating I was asking a question - hence the question marks...
dsl ◊ 2015-03-18 01:02	johnfromstaffs wrote I'm not the Pope. OK - who is it then? Gamer?? eLMeR??
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2015-03-18 08:35	supcoach wrote johnfromstaffs wrote: My speculation - cobbled-up Bentley S1, but I'm not the Pope. Are not a Rolls and a Bentley (from that era) essentially the same vehicle, except for specific marque bits (such as grilles, motors...) And FYI I was not speculating I was asking a question - hence the question marks... There was never a production Bentley with a straight eight engine, or long wheelbase chassis, so being the equivalent of a P IV. One car, known as "The Scalded Cat", was built by the factory using the straight eight in a lengthened Mk V type chassis, and others have appeared since. http://www.darkforce.com/royce/benmk5.htm http://blog.livedoor.jp/rroyce3/archives/51669098.html Royce's Bentley Mk VI equivalent, the Silver Dawn, had a column gear change and only one carburettor and was definitely marketed as a different style of vehicle, it was a Royce-ised Bentley Mk VI/R-type, mainly for export to places where Bentley's history was either not understood or not cared about, there was no Bentley equivalent of the Silver Wraith. http://www.dyna.co.za/cars/Rolls_Royce_51_Silver_Dawn_Grey_ssff.jpg In effect, the P IV and Silver Wraith were the "proper" Rolls-Royces, and the Bentley Mk VI and R-type were smaller, sportier vehicles aimed at the sort of buyer who would have bought a Derby Bentley in the late 1930s and a four cylinder or Speed 6 W.O. Bentley in the 20s. By the time the S Series cars came in there was less distinction between the two marques, it took Rolls-Royce Motor Cars Ltd too long to correct this mistake. So, to summarise, Bentley Mk VI, R-type, Silver Dawn, generally Bentley type cars, of which the majority was built using the Standard Steel Saloon coachwork. P IV, Silver Wraith, generally Rolls-Royce type cars, all of which had coachbuilt body structures. If you feel this summary is in any way biased towards Bentley, you would be correct, I have been the keeper of a Bentley for 31 years. http://pics.imcdb.org/10516/batsilv800x587.jpg http://pics.imcdb.org/10516/bentpainting.jpg In my opinion, the chances of an undiscovered P IV are very low, the history is too well documented. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Phantom_IV In respect of His Holyness, I was referring to the Doctrine of Infallibility, so draw your own conclusions. I think the emu is Bernie Clifton in drag, so about as genuine as the car. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Clifton -- Last edit: 2015-03-18 11:27:17
Gamer ◊ 2015-03-18 16:05	dsl wrote OK - who is it then? Gamer?? eLMeR?? Wha - why me??
eLMeR ◊ 2015-03-19 00:16	dsl wrote OK - who is it then? Gamer?? eLMeR?? Sorry, but philosophical and technical incompatibility for me -- Last edit: 2015-03-19 00:16:34
robgeelen2 ◊ 2015-03-21 21:34	I think this is an Austin Princess Hearse which has be re-crafted into sort of a Shooting Brake, with a lot of later coachbuilding to the front to adapt to a RR late Silver Wraith/Cloud look. Just a pity the bonnet is out of line with the radiator, a Bentley would have made an easier fit. If we only had a side view.
dsl ◊ 2015-03-21 22:20	AMM 20 was 1933 issue, so useless for date (although no doubt a genuine transfer to this car at the time, before being retransferred to end up eventually on the 2006 BMW as current plate check info). Seems to have solid bodywork rear side pillars, so following rob's suggestion ^ of Austin Princess eg /vehicle_66421-Austin-Princess-4-litre-Limousine-DM4-1952.html more than VdP. carcrasher88's photo found at Link to "s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com" but can't trace any accompanying caption/info. Blowing it up gives which looks as if might be normal limo body underneath all the silly stuff. So just an abused 1953 Austin Princess 4-litre Limousine [DM4] as my best guess.
elan2000 ◊ 2017-08-18 16:26	I am almost 100% sure that this is a 1938 Rolls-Royce Wraith, chassis number WXA19. The photograph attached shows it as a hearse/estate conversion, with a very similar registration number, when it was for sale quite a while ago. This may have been changed in the film so that it did not veer too far from the actual one, but so that it could not be identified and copied/stolen.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2017-08-18 17:19	Looks right to me, elan2000. Good spotting.

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