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1941 Humber Heavy Utility 
Class: Cars, Off-road / SUV — Model origin: 
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Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene
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◊ 2014-09-06 19:34 |
Plate possibly reads HGF 508. |
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◊ 2014-09-06 20:13 |
HGF = London series "allocated in blocks" Aug 45 - Sept 49. 508 maybe late 46-47?? |
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◊ 2014-09-06 21:05 |
The number plate is probably not relevant as this looks like an ex-Army vehicle, either Humber, or more likely Ford WOT, registered for civilian use and sold by military disposals at auction. |
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◊ 2014-09-06 22:16 |
More likely one of these? - Link to "en.wikipedia.org" Humber heavy Utility. I think the Ford was bigger, stood further from the ground - maybe? According to the wiki page these used Rolls-Royce engines. -- Last edit: 2014-09-06 22:17:55 |
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◊ 2014-09-06 23:25 |
![[Image: 13-21truckb.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/10314/13-21truckb.jpg) |
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◊ 2014-09-07 09:23 |
I think Wiki is confusing these with the later FV1611 Humber 1-ton, and its armoured variant the Pig which were fitted with the military version of the Rolls-Royce B60; or B80? This engine was not available during the war and, as far as I know, and apparently confirmed by this, http://tardis.dl.ac.uk/ARCC/war.html , all wartime Humber vehicles had Humber engines. The B series engines were widely used later, in Ferrets and Champs plus fire engines but were a wartime development based upon Royce's 4257cc engine used in the 1930s, with the block and head redesigned to IOE configuration to allow better breathing within the constraints of the cylinder centre dimension which had remained constant since the 1920s. The first use of the B series engine in a commercially available car chassis was the Mk VI Bentley and the Royce Silver Dawn and Silver Wraith. -- Last edit: 2014-09-07 09:40:34 |
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◊ 2014-09-07 10:03 |
Yes the idea was all post war ' combat' military vehicles were going to have standard engines built by Rolls Royce , B40, B60, B80 to ease spares supply. Gawd knows what this cost the taxpayer as a range of vehicles were developed with these engines but eventually they realised it was too expensive. |
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◊ 2014-09-07 15:32 |
Maybe not too expensive by the time the cost was amortised over a range of different vehicles. The real cost would have been in the K and L series of Rolls-Royce engines, used in the FV430 series and in the main battle tank. These were opposed piston two-stroke turbo and super charged multi-fuel compression ignition engines, and were extremely expensive to buy and to maintain. As one time commercial officer on the 430 post design services contract I am well aware of the level of spend necessary to keep these engines running. None in service any more, either the vehicles have gone obsolete, or the engines have been replaced by modern ones. Shame, they made a great noise on full chat! -- Last edit: 2014-09-07 15:34:37 |
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◊ 2014-09-07 21:31 |
Was thinking more of the total cost of these vehicles specially the soft skins, for instance one RR engined Austin Champ cost same price as three Land Rovers, then there was all the development costs in addition . Whereas the more successful in service Land Rover was developed at Rovers expense. -- Last edit: 2014-09-07 22:02:16 |
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◊ 2014-09-07 21:55 |
Which is what happens if you let the boffins at Chertsey get together with the user and design what they think they want. All parts become gold plated, unless they were already solid gold, and the requirement specification takes off into the wide blue yonder. The equipment also, being made in small quantities, fails to attract any economies of scale, and the price follows the specification. They have, however, seen a bit of sense in the last ten or fifteen years, but specification creep is still a problem. The private venture vehicles were at one time looked down upon, but as money gets tighter so the Army realises it can use off the shelf kit successfully. |
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◊ 2014-09-07 22:04 |
MOD procurement  |
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