Maudslay Militant II J.Lyons & Co.
Maudslay Militant II in The Long Memory, Movie, 1953
Class: Trucks, Simple truck — Model origin: 
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Comments about this vehicle
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◊ 2006-12-05 00:00 |
Tricky ... the bridge is easier ...  |
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◊ 2006-12-05 00:01 |
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◊ 2007-05-29 13:45 |
Pretty certain it's a Dennis and the livery looks rather like J Lyons Compare the radiator and badges... http://ccmv.fotopic.net/p41202839.html |
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◊ 2007-05-29 13:47 |
Agreed! ..nice find  |
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◊ 2007-05-29 21:43 |
I am not really happy with Dennis Max.![[Image: 67790511sa7.3594.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is119/67790511sa7.3594.jpg) Next to the windscreen, also the side screens, the distance between radiator top and windscreen, the width of the radiator and the way the front curves doesn't match. Also I am not sure it really is a 'Dennis' logo. I am sorry I cannot provide a better answer to what this truck is, but it doesn't look like a Dennis Max to me. |
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◊ 2007-05-29 21:58 |
I have to admit its some time since I've looked at this picture and I now remember that I discounted a plain oval or an ellipse as the shape of the badge/logo. I cannot find anything similar but I believe it looks something like this with three straight lines at the bottom.![[Image: badgewr1.8149.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is114/badgewr1.8149.jpg) |
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◊ 2007-05-30 13:30 |
Looking again at the picture, changing the brightness/contrast I now think badge probably looks slightly different and more like this.![[Image: badge2ng4.th.jpg]](http://img340.imageshack.us/my.php?image=badge2ng4.jpg "http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/2558/badge2ng4.th.jpg") I can find no truck manufacturer with a style of badge similar to this. If it's also probable that this was a J. Lyons and Co. truck (I guess there is at least a 50% chance that it was, a 'Lyons Tea' trailer seen in another part of the movie /vehicle_71690-Vulcan-6PF.html ) then I think another conclusion is possible. In the 1950s J. Lyons had one of the largest fleet of vehicles in Britain (2,750 just five years after the movie). Probably many of these were specially built under contract and therefore the cab could have been redesigned or the chassis completely re-cabbed with a specific design. I believe the badge could be branding J. Lyons rather than the truck manufacturer and it looks to have a separate cover that disguises the true shape of the top of the radiator. J. Lyons had very stylised trucks for advertising at the time. How much of the original cab design remains I don't know but as a minimum the front panel and headlight position could be new. If so this would leave the upper cab and glass area as the only features that may be identified. The radiator would be the same size but the upper part could be a different shape to that seen. Just my conclusions at the moment but as Alexander comments, not Dennis now I'm almost certain. -- Last edit: 2007-05-30 13:43:15 |
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◊ 2007-05-30 13:53 |
It was common at that time for customers to specify their own cab supplier. AEC, for instance, never supplied a factory-fitted cab at all until after their absorption into the Leyland Group, when the Leyland Ergomatic cab was fitted from 1964 onwards. Cabs at that time were largely coachbuilt, and so there are often variations in fitting headlights, etc. |
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◊ 2007-06-04 20:56 |
J Lyons was a good call. It's a Maudslay, probably a Militant II, similar to this one http://www.aecsouthall.co.uk/mmilitant2a_hxy72.jpg Neil |
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◊ 2007-06-04 21:33 |
Here's a closer look at a Maudslay badge of the era, this one on a Mogul II http://www.aecsouthall.co.uk/mmogul2a.jpg Neil -- Last edit: 2007-06-04 21:34:18 |
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◊ 2007-06-05 19:02 |
Difficult to argue, Neil! And when anyone tells you that vehicles all look the same nowadays....... -- Last edit: 2007-06-05 19:16:16 |
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◊ 2007-06-05 23:10 |
Neil, I do like the look of that. ...and the other J Lyons vehicle on IMCDb was a Maudslay also. /vehicle_20498-Maudslay.html -- Last edit: 2007-06-05 23:16:11 |
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◊ 2007-06-07 00:38 |
Yes agreed. That one however is an AEC Mk III badged as a Maudslay. I'll post a comment there. |
