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1953 Ford Consul MkI [EOTA] 
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![1953 Ford Consul MkI [EOTA]](i654765.jpg)
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◊ 2013-12-13 14:03 |
It is a Ford Consul Mk1 no doubt, and I believe this is a 1956 MY because of the separate amber flashing lights introduced in Oct 1955 as on the 1956 MY. What does dsl think about the registration plate? |
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◊ 2013-12-13 14:05 |
September 1953 onwards (registration) Consul MkI. Additional flashing indicators were often added later. -- Last edit: 2013-12-13 14:07:15 |
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◊ 2013-12-16 21:29 |
Agree with 1954 (from Oct 1953) as model year as that is also indicated with the extended chrome strip. But I wonder what they ment with a note about "Separate amber flashing indicators." from Oct 1955 as of 1956 MY. Anyone having any ideas? The "they" referred to is P. Olyslager Motor Manuals 3 about the Mk1 Ford Consul, Zephyr Six and Zephyr Zodiac. 3rd reprinting from 1967 based on a 1961 book, which should (?) exclude errors. -- Last edit: 2013-12-16 21:29:52 |
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◊ 2013-12-16 21:44 |
When did semaphore indicators (in B-pillar) disappear? |
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◊ 2013-12-16 22:10 |
According to Olyslager, flash-typedirection indicators was introduced in Oct 1953 as of 1954 MY. I assume the semaphore indicators disappeared at the same time. -- Last edit: 2013-12-17 09:12:43 |
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◊ 2013-12-17 20:20 |
The registration is Wolverhampton County Borough Council, Sept to Dec 1953. The amber flashing indicator shown is an aftermarket add-on, the Ford ones were a seperate orange lens included above the rear light in an enlarged assembly. http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/car-advert/ford/consul/1955/207558/ |
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◊ 2013-12-17 20:48 |
.... so where is the factory-fitted indicator on this non-semaphore car? Seems an odd thing to completely remove all trace. |
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◊ 2013-12-17 21:04 |
Even at 400% the door pillar does not seem to my eyes to be completely smooth. I can't see a chrome indicator arm but that's where it would have been. Perhaps the one shown above was an interim fix, but it doesn't look to meet C&U regulations positioned that far in from the outside of the car. |
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◊ 2013-12-17 21:06 |
I own a 1955 Ford Consul, which is a restauration object. When I got it I searched trough the bag of spare parts and found one set of the old rear lights (which also serves as indicators) and one set of the newer set which is both a separate light unit at bottom (which also seves as indicators) and some reflectors on top built into the same house. Those look like the one in John's link, apart from that the ones on the car for sale is very faded, and thus have turned orange. I still have no clue how the 1956 car look like. -- Last edit: 2013-12-17 21:20:55 |
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◊ 2013-12-17 21:26 |
I just noticed another fact I haven't seen before. The side strip on this English car is different from this http://pics.imcdb.org/7478/ford001602.jpg Australian CKD. |
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◊ 2013-12-17 21:55 |
The British regulations for flashing turn indicators changed and at one time they could be red at the back, and white at the front, then became required to be orange at both ends. Some car manufacturers used relays to make the existing lights flash, but then sense prevailed and seperate orange lights were required in order to make the turn signals more clear. I have no exact knowledge of the dates involved but most cars were equipped with orange indicators by the late fifties. I think that Morris were a bit late to this, the UK spec Oxford III still having semaphore arms in 1957, but export spec having flashers. -- Last edit: 2013-12-18 09:00:29 |
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◊ 2013-12-18 12:55 |
.... so this one is probably a late registered 53my car which does still have (or did have) semaphores after all?? |
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◊ 2013-12-18 14:09 |
That would be my view. I don't think the number would have been transferred to a later car because was quite unusual before the days of year letter registrations to transfer number plates that weren't low numbers or similar. It was expensive and held up the sale of the old car. We have, in the family, let go of JP 95, BEA 192, WED 48, GTX 299 and 3908 E, to name a few, they were just old car number plates then, nobody bothered. |
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◊ 2013-12-18 21:46 |
I'm not that convinced the above Consul has semaphores at all, but rather reflexions from the chrome strip surrounding the door window. Please have a look at this picture http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dt-bNf6h0tI which shows a Consul of similar age. -- Last edit: 2013-12-18 21:49:03 |
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◊ 2013-12-18 22:00 |
The problem is that it must have left the factory with some sort of indicators, otherwise it would be illegal. As we've decided the inboard rear indicators are accessory and the rear lights do not match the later format with indicators included, the only logical outcome is that it left the factory with semaphores. Whether it still has semaphores is another question - like you, I didn't think it did - but if not there has been a modification to disguise/remove them. And jfs has magnified to 400% and does not think the pillars are smooth. |
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◊ 2013-12-18 22:36 |
Quote Olyslager page 6 (concerning the Consul): "Electrical equipment Twelve-volt electrical equipment. Built in headlamps and separate side-lamps (on 1954 and 1955 models the front direction-indicators of the flasher type are combined with the side-lamps; similarly the rear direction-indicators are combined with the stop-lights..." The same can also be read on page 66 (concerning the Zephyr Six and the Zephyr Zodiac). |
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◊ 2013-12-18 22:51 |
The combined rear lights format from the jfs link above for a 1955 car. Note also the grooved B-pillar modification after semaphore removal. |
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◊ 2013-12-19 08:36 |
I think that's just a trick of the light ...  |
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◊ 2013-12-19 10:14 |
But my point is that the link doesn't show how it should look like. It just show reflexes that are being faded and turned orange. There's no wiring to the upper part. Here's a better picture of a 1955 car http://www.flickr.com/photos/78002012@N00/4806056864/ . Where is RWK 815 from (date and area)? |
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◊ 2013-12-19 10:29 |
Coventry County Borough Council, July/August 1955. |
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◊ 2013-12-19 15:22 |
/vehicle_51807-Ford-Consul-EOTA-1951.html Did they ever have semaphores? If this car is a 1951 model, there is no sign of a semaphore in the b-pillar. Was the car introduced with red/white flashers, (and people added orange aftermarket ones) which Ford then changed its production spec to orange ones as we have seen. -- Last edit: 2013-12-19 15:30:52 |
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◊ 2013-12-19 15:31 |
Yes. |
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◊ 2013-12-19 15:37 |
Although the tag says 1951, the picture detail says 1954. So could the history be 1951 Semaphores, 1953 Red/white flashers in the parking lights, 1955 orange flashers both ends? This would permit the car in the picture to have had aftermarket orange lamps fitted as we see in the picture, to replace existing red/white, thus no redundant semaphore to be seen. -- Last edit: 2013-12-19 15:39:30 |
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◊ 2013-12-19 18:35 |
I'll check Glass's info in a couple of days to see if it adds anything useful to the sequencing. |
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◊ 2013-12-19 20:22 |
Thank you John for pointing out something that have bothering me for quite some time. When labelling cars on this page only the year the car was introduced is shown if no specific information is available, like plates or major changes. That seams to an outside viewer like the car is from that particular year while, it, in the reality, can be from a number of years. Why is it impossible to label e.g. the Mk1 Ford Consul and Zephyr Six 1951-56 as it was introduced in October 1950 as of 1951 model year and was made until February 1956? I don't understand why this would be so difficult. About the semaphore/flasher matter concerning the Consul it did have semaphores from the start Link to "bringatrailer.com" (Not a 1952 model but a 1951 model with the first facia. Please note; no chrome strip at side). From 1952 the interior looked like this http://auto.howstuffworks.com/1951-1956-ford-consul-zephyr2.htm (Not a 1951 model as being stated), and from 1954 major changes took place http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/hHax19VTUI6UJJ5bF4IY0Q with the semaphores changed to flasher-type indicators, a chrome strip added alongside the waist line, and also chrome inserts around the windows. The 1955 model got the reflex surround at the rear lights http://www.flickr.com/photos/austin7nut/8096389590/ (picture should show a 1955 model) and the 1956 model, finally, looked like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ford_Consul_MkI_convertible_rear.jpg . The last statement is for certain since I read Michael Allen 'Consul Zephyr Zodiac - The Big Fifties Fords', Motor racing publications limited, London 1983. where it upon page 56 reads (Quote) "Also during 1955, the oil pump had recieved a modified pick-up pipe, making the pump self-priming, and the ignition system now featured an oil-filled coil. At the Earls Court Show that year there were just two visible changes: the Zephyr Six had aquired the Zodiac's vinyl roof lining, and all three models featured separate amber rear flashing indicators in place of those incorporated in the rear light units. Mounted in the back panel beneath the boot lid, the new indicators were a standard Lucas design and as such, did not quite blend into the rear-end styling of the car. The only other change in the specifications was the adoption of tubeless tyres" It seams dating these cars is rather difficult... -- Last edit: 2013-12-19 20:29:33 |
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◊ 2013-12-19 20:24 |
this old sedan sparked a huge controversy here   -- Last edit: 2013-12-19 20:24:35 |
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◊ 2013-12-19 22:31 |
When we're at the cutting edge of information development and exchange, things do not always go smoothly. We are pioneering new frontiers of knowledge for the good of mankind, so we have to cope with little hiccups. |
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