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1985 BMW 635 CSi [E24] 
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![1985 BMW 635 CSi [E24]](i055182.jpg)
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◊ 2006-09-22 11:47 |
Just 6? Or can someone see if it's a 630/635 CSi.... |
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◊ 2006-09-22 11:56 |
In USA they did not get the 630 I think (in Canada is it the same case?), but they had the 633 (1976) and thr 635 (1985) -- Last edit: 2006-09-22 11:56:53 |
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◊ 2006-11-16 22:17 |
In late response to antp and garco: First off, the car in this photo is a US-spec. `85-`87 635csi. It has the big air-dam (`85+), and big bumpers (-`87). The 630Csi was the 1st E24 available in the US in 1977. See the "Curtains" page for details and a video link: /vehicle_26366-BMW-630-CSi-E24-1977.html In 1978, the 633csi became available. In early 1978, the 630csi was no longer available. The 633csi was available from `78-`84. In `85, the 635csi replaced it. In `87 the L6 and M6 were available. By 1989, only the 635csi was avail. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 19:33 |
Interesting infos, Adrian. .gif ";)") Here we had the 6-series E24 since half 1976: the 630 CS (without injection), few later the 633 CSi, and in september 1978 came out the most 'common' model, the 635 CSi. In 1979 the 628 CSi replaced the 630 CS (now really rare). In 1982 the Six was quite restyled, and they stopped the production of the 633 CSi for Europe. In end of '83 (if I remember well) was launched the M635CSi. In 1988 US and Euro version became more similar (bumpers, lights...). The E24 was sold until about 1989 (for Great Britain also I think), but in Italy until early 1988. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 21:36 |
Yeah, you guys (Europe) get all the cool models. Such variety. It makes some sense, since BMW marketing figures Americans can afford higher-end models - therefore, they simplify for the US, and save money on shipping and unnesesary production. But not all Americans are loaded. Not every one has $60,000 cash for your average BMW. Many BMW CCA members really want the 1-series - but BMW NA feels hatchbacks are no longer desired anymore in the US vs. the 70's and 80's when hatchbacks were at a peak; they also feel the same with wagons. Interesting notes on the 6-series. Overall, the 6-series had very little exterior changes over it's life-time. The interior was significantly re-styled for US `83 models. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:12 |
Isn't it because that because they have to export over the Atlantic it's just cheaper in general for the company to offer less range in the USA, not that most Americans have much more money than the Germans and the rest of western Europe do? Of course there will be more variety in Germany (and it's neighbouring countries) that's where they make them. My theory is because American cars have such large engines (Explorer4x4's Tempo has 2.3 litre engine and that's considered small) they think Americans won't to buy 520s and 525s because they'd think they'd be underpowered. Is it me or do Americans not know how to get the full potential out of an engine? I mean why is it your full-size cars have huge 4 litre engines but aren't quick at all compared to our cars? -- Last edit: 2006-11-17 22:26:29 |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:26 |
Well, yes, I think I mentioned that point. I'm not saying Europeans have far less money. But the cost of owning a car in Europe, and paying for Gasoline is much greater than the US - so that's an additional factor for excluding the small-engined, cheaper priced models from being exported from European plants to the US. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:29 |
Not only gasoline price. There is also the fact that in some (most?) European countries the car is taxed on the basis of the engine size. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:30 |
The size of the cars combined with the type of driving we do demands larger displacement, as larger engines make greater low-end torque. There's absolutely no benefit to making a lot of power out of a little engine, in fact, there are drawbacks. It seems American automakers are the only ones who realize this, for some reason. As for not being as quick, it depends on the car. I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the average American sedan is quicker than the average British one. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:32 |
Regarding Classic/Traditional American Cars. US cars have always been known for gobs of torque - great for city driving. Where they fall-flat on their face is when it comes to highway performance, and handling. More recently, things have changed. But generally, your're right. Americans like big, intimidating, big-engine cars. European cars are more sensible and so much cooler in my opinion. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:35 |
Actually, the whole "American cars can't handle" thing is a long-running myth that goes back to the days when the U.S. didn't make sports cars (as in, pre-Corvette 1950s). U.S. automakers since then have never failed to produce performance cars with competitive (if not class-leading) handling. As for highway performance....give me a nice broad torque curve any day of the week for highway driving. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:35 |
Interesting fact antp. I was not aware of that. Which countries are taxed on engine size? -- Last edit: 2006-11-17 22:36:21 |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:40 |
I think that it is the case in most of west-European countries. e.g. in Belgium what you have to pay when registering a new car: Link to "www.moniteurautomobile.be" what you pay every year: Link to "www.moniteurautomobile.be" The CV indicated here is not hp, it depends on other things. E.g. my 206 with a 1.4 engine is 8 CV; a BMW 540i is 20 CV; a Corvette C6 Z06 is 33 CV  Insurance also use engine info as basis (which is stupid, as a big engine in a heavy car does not make it a sportscar...) -- Last edit: 2006-11-17 22:41:02 |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:40 |
Well there are benefits, you get a faster car, and since it doesn't need such a big engine, a more economical one. Let's test this, what would you call an average American sedan? I'd call an average British sedan a Ford Mondeo or a Vauxhall Vectra. I could say a Ford Focus or a Vauxhall Astra but American's make very few cars that size (I know the Ford Focus is also sold in America but that the same car). By that standard an average German car is a VW Passat or Mercedes C-Class, BMW 3-Series or Audi A4, an average French car is a Citroen C5, Renault Laguna or Peugeot 407 and an average Swedish car is a Volvo S60 or a Saab 9-3. |
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◊ 2006-11-17 22:50 |
Small displacement doesn't guarantee a faster car. It does, however, guarantee a lousy torque curve, highly-strung road manners, and poor long-term reliability due to the engine having to rev high to make its power. An average American sedan would be pretty much anything in the $20,000 range...A Ford Fusion, Chevrolet Malibu, Chrysler Sebring, or Pontiac G6. |
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◊ 2006-11-18 05:45 |
Ford Taurus and Chevy Impala. Pushrod power! |
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