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1949 Morris Minor Tourer [MM]

1949 Morris Minor Tourer [MM] in Thillu Mullu, Movie, 1981 IMDB

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: UK

1949 Morris Minor Tourer [MM]

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chris40 UK

2012-04-27 10:21

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Seems to be an early Series MM, with later front wings added.

chris40 UK

2012-05-03 16:21

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Gentlemen, we may have a problem with this and other early Morris Minors in India.
aronline tells us that During the early 1950s Hindustan extended their arrangement with Morris Motors by commencing production of the Morris Minor. Interestingly renamed the “Baby Hindustan” for local consumption, the Minor would prove to be something of a success.
However I've also learned that the British-produced Minor was also popular in India. Does anyone know how we can tell the difference?

Sunbar UK

2012-05-03 16:31

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No way other than badging (“Baby Hindustan” at least on some cars). However once CKD assembly started the high Indian import duty really ruled out UK imports.

My guess is that by 1950/1 almost 100% would be Indian assembly. Link to "www.team-bhp.com"

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Link to "www.team-bhp.com"

Link to "www.team-bhp.com"

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johnfromStaffs EN

2012-05-03 19:01

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The front wings with the high level lamps were added well before the radiator changed to the series II style, in January 1949 for cars exported to North America, and on all models from early 1951. There were even Series II cars with the 803cc ohv engine and the MM style grille for a while.

Sunbar UK

2012-05-03 19:21

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As chris40 suggested the car in the picture is almost certainly a low-light MM with the later high 7" lamp wings retro-fitted (effectively the inner lights have I guess become spot/fog lamps).

[Image: mm5.jpg] [Image: mm3.jpg]

dsl SX

2012-05-03 19:48

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Comment from sunbar's 2nd link which - if accurate - is useful:
"The succession line of HM cars in India is like this.
1946-1948 Morris 10 rebadged and sold as HINDUSTAN 10 (OHV-1141cc)
1949-1953 Morris Oxford "MO" sold as HINDUSTAN 14 (sidevalve-1476cc)
1954 Morris Oxford "MO" (1952 version) sold as Hindustan Newlook (Landmaster grill)
1955 Morris Oxford Series 2 sold as Landmaster (sidevalve-1487cc)

.. the Baby Hindustan was available in India only from 1952 with an OHV engine (Morris Minor 1952). Whatever changes happened to Morris Minor it was carried over in the baby Hindustan till its production ended in 1958/1959. (Morris Minors were available from 1948 imported by a company in Madras called Addisons)."

Oxford data seems intact. Minor info suggests all changes replicated UK sequences, so should be possible to match cars into:
1948-52 UK imports;
1952-59 local assembly;
1959 onwards UK imports.
The unanswered question is whether local assembly adopted the 1957 changes to Minor 1000 - 2nd quote on same page from same contributor "There was indeed a BABY HINDUSTAN badge on either sides of the bonnet (also note that all Baby Hindustans did not come with 948cc engines, only the ones which came from 1954/1955. Even then there was no "1000" badge at the back (as per my info). Regarding Morris Minors, only from 1961 the Badge "Morris 1000" came on the sides (1098cc models). The 948cc models also had the Morris Minor badge only." Which I think means 1957 changes were not made for local assembly cars but is not totally clear.

Also elsewhere in sunbar's links is a comment that local assembly cars had dished steering wheels.

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Sunbar UK

2012-05-03 20:04

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I am satisfied that from 1952 onwards we can consider them to be locally assembled as "Baby Hindustans". The only danger is that if inaccurate we would miss a few early cars.

As another example here /vehicle_479080-Hindustan-Baby-Hindustan-MM-1952.html

chris40 UK

2012-05-03 20:11

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Thanks everyone - I feel better now.

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