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2012 Volkswagen Passat [NMS]

2012 Volkswagen Passat [NMS] in Modern Family, TV Series, 2009-2014 IMDB Ep. 3.04

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: US

2012 Volkswagen Passat [NMS]

[*][*] Minor action vehicle or used in only a short scene

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Sandie SX

2011-10-12 16:03

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This is not the B7 Passat but the different US spec Passat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_Passat_NMS

m.pfaffeneder DE

2011-10-12 17:02

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It should be listed as model origin: USA

It´s not available in Europe, and it´s a completely different car as the Passat B7.

S 415 GT DE

2012-06-07 21:16

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This is the Passat, that the people here want too, because it is much cheaper and better equipped

The Passat NMS costs from $20950 which is approx. 16300€
The Passat B7 costs from 24775€ which is approx. $31212

For 16300€ You dont even get a Golf.

-- Last edit: 2012-06-07 23:53:24

ingo DE

2012-06-07 22:13

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The subterfuge of Volkswagen, not to sell it here, is, that its quality is not good enough for the German market.

night cub US

2012-06-07 22:49

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I thought the reason was that they wanted to make the US model larger, to compete more directly with the Camry and Accord. They downgraded the engine with the new model. A majority of them will have the 170hp 5-cylinder, replacing the 200hp 4-cyl Turbo model. They're also offering a diesel and a 6-cylinder, but they will not be great sellers. The US is still diesel-averse, preferring hybrids for better mileage. It's been doing well in comparison tests and sales have taken off, but it is slower than the other vehicles in the class. A new Altima and Accord are being released soon, so we'll see how the new Passat compares to them in the fall.

ingo DE

2012-06-07 22:58

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In Europe Volkswagen don't want to compare the Passat with Accord and Altima. They -especially Mr.Piech- try to push it up as a competitor of the 5er-BMW, the Mercedes E-Klasse and the Audi A6. So the times, when you could get a naked povery-spec Passat with a small engine (for many years a 1.6 liter with 75hp was the most sold Passat-engine, in the very early years there was a 1.3 liter with 55hp) are gone since a long time.

S 415 GT DE

2012-06-07 23:02

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80% of the European Passat is sold as Variant.
Mostly with the 140hp 2.0 TDI Engine.

-- Last edit: 2012-06-07 23:06:54

Sandie SX

2012-06-07 23:11

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I don't think the Passat is intended to compete with the 5-Series at all in Europe. In the UK at least the most expensive Passat is £5,000 cheaper than the cheapest 5-Series or A6 and around the same price as the entry-level 3-Series. It's rivals in price and size are the Insignia, Mondeo and 508.

The least powerful Passat sold here is the 110bhp diesel which considering the inflation in size and weight is probably no less underpowered than the 75bhp version was years ago.

-- Last edit: 2012-06-07 23:15:32

S 415 GT DE

2012-06-07 23:14

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I thought they want to compare it with the Insignia/Mondeo/Avensis/Peugeot 508/Mazda6...
or with the more expensive A4/3er/C-Klasse

ingo DE

2012-06-07 23:26

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These were the circumstances in the past. But it's really a kind of obsession of F.Piech, to push the Passat on the higher level. With the help of more technic, bigger engines and -for sure- higher prices.
But as S 415 GT wrote before: many customers don't want that. A plenty of them are really pissed about that premium-class-bullshit-ideas of "Mr.VW"

S 415 GT DE

2012-06-07 23:33

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As the B7 is only a big facelift of the B6, VW didnt spend as much Money as Audi/BMW/MB on the engeneering. and the interior is still the same as 6 years ago. and the sat-nav isn´t worth spending the 2500€(or so)on it.

-- Last edit: 2012-06-07 23:35:27

ingo DE

2012-06-07 23:38

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Well, it's Piech's dream. Probably as unrealistic as his Phaeton-density. Which is nothing more than a pushed up overpriced Hyper-Passat. But last but not least a Passat anyways.
An economical disaster for VW, but a pleasure for an used-car-buyer. Where else you can get premium material (but not premium image) for such low prices? And the quality shall be very good, as VW-experts have told. The guys in the "Manufaktur" in Dresden have enough time to assemble the Phaeton very slowly and carefully.

S 415 GT DE

2012-06-07 23:51

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I think the Phaeton was especcialy for the Chinese market, where VW is kind of a Premium make.

ingo DE

2012-06-08 00:09

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No, for China VW had created the long-wheelbase-Passat (which platform was used in Europe for the first Skoda Superb). Piech has looked for America with the Phaeton. But this was a big mistake. Volkswagen has not that premium image there -at least it was nearly disappeared- and the name Phaeton is not easy pronounce for native English speakers, so it was a big and expensive failure.
Over the whole Phaeton-lifetime, 2/3 (or even 3/4?) of the production got the first registration as dealer- or fleet-cars, not as private cars...

dsl SX

2012-06-08 00:27

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I thought the real purpose of the Phaeton was to gain experience of hand-built prestige models within the VW group ahead of the Bentley Continental family. Partly to test the oily bits, but also how to run a hand-build factory. Dresdn was also supposed to become an overspill site for Bentley production, but I'm not sure if this happened in the end. Some parallels with for instance Audi 50/VW Polo, Autobianchi A111/Fiat 128 or Autobianchi A112/Fiat 127?? In each case gain experience away from the spotlight ahead of a major initiative - commercial success for the pioneering model becomes a secondary bonus, so "failure" not a major problem.

night cub US

2012-06-08 00:49

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ingo wrote In Europe Volkswagen don't want to compare the Passat with Accord and Altima.


Which is why they decided on two different Passats, the market needs are different. Comfort and space are the top concerns in North America, Europe wants fuel economy and handling. VW had been selling the Jetta as a sportier, European alternative to the Accord/Camry/Altima-class, which worked until the last generation. The buyers were typically younger and were not as concerned about interior space. VW sold the Jetta at the same price as the larger Japanese cars. The Passat was aimed as a roomier, cheaper alternative to BMW 3/Audi A4/MB C-class, but they cost more than the A/C/A. The B5 was a big success, the B6, not so much. The Japanese introduced up market models that competed with the B6. So for the latest generations, VW did what the Japanese have been doing, designing the cars specifically for the North American market. They brought down the prices to match the Japanese, and sales have gone up on both models. Which only proves that Americans want cars that are bigger and blander.

ingo DE

2012-06-08 21:17

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night cub wrote VW had been selling the Jetta as a sportier, European alternative to the Accord/Camry/Altima-class, which worked until the last generation. The buyers were typically younger and were not as concerned about interior space.

In Germany it's total vice versa. All Jetta-models (including Vento and Bora, as named here) had always the hardcore-reputation as the pure grandfather-car. In other European countries it was more or less different, but in Germany the general opinion was/still is very straight about the Jettas. The selling rates of them were always very low - while the brother Golf was nearly every year the most sold model in Germany. I don't know the average selling rates in comparsion, but the difference was/is extreme.

jettalover US

2012-06-10 05:15

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The NMS is also sold in China.

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